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    Posted: July 29 2014 at 01:10
I have to agree with Guldbamsen. It depends on how to define progressive. If progressive as in "prog", they don't meet it. If progressive as in push the boundaries in rock, then definitely.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 05:30
Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:


Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Silly question really. The Doors were perhaps the ultimate progressive rock band, that is without ever playing 'prog'.
They were among the very first acts who brought the arts into the rock template. Nietszche, Baudelaire, Kerouac, Ginsberg, ancient Greek tragedies, Native American spiritually and etc etc etc - and that is just in the lyrics.
The music mixed rock with classical piano sprees, cabaret, circus themes, folk, free improv, jazz, blues and flamenco.

One of the most progressive bands of all time imo.
The question was not so silly because it gives you the chance to show the difference between being innovative and playing prog rock unless you find it silly that we could not argue that it's the ultimate progressive band, which i doubt looking at the end of your comment that said imo...



I was being tongue-in-cheek.
The Doors were never a "prog band", which I did mention earlier, but they were incredibly progressive for their day.....and they played rock. Ergo rock that is progressive
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 03:54
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Silly question really. The Doors were perhaps the ultimate progressive rock band, that is without ever playing 'prog'.
They were among the very first acts who brought the arts into the rock template. Nietszche, Baudelaire, Kerouac, Ginsberg, ancient Greek tragedies, Native American spiritually and etc etc etc - and that is just in the lyrics.
The music mixed rock with classical piano sprees, cabaret, circus themes, folk, free improv, jazz, blues and flamenco.

One of the most progressive bands of all time imo.


The question was not so silly because it gives you the chance to show the difference between being innovative and playing prog rock unless you find it silly that we could not argue that it's the ultimate progressive band, which i doubt looking at the end of your comment that said imo...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 03:22
Uh? I like the Doors and U2! (And because of the U2 bashing here, I tell you that my favourite albums of them are the first three ones Boy, October and War.)
Both were influential for rock music in their ways, but none of them I see belonging to the musical genre of 'prog rock', IMHO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 01:37
I've always believed that the Doors were more influential to the so-called Post-Punk bands like Echo & the Bunnymen, the Banshees, Joy Division, the Fall and the Cure et al rather than the vast rump of early 70's Proggers.
For me, the Doors first album was as influential and far reaching for the heavier and darker end of the rock spectrum as the Beatles were to pop music. Praise indeed, I'm sure you'll agree.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2014 at 19:38
Originally posted by addictedtoprog addictedtoprog wrote:

Their placement in proto-prog is as much justified as it is for The Beatles..


Not even close when you consider The Beatles influence on the early progressive rock movement were so much more tangible than The Doors. What significant progressive rock band did the Doors influence to form in the first place that equals King Crimson, Yes or even Can?

Really even early Pink Floyd were more Beatles influenced than the Doors. The Doors were a very good band but The Beatles influence dwarfs the Doors let's be realistic and not try to downplay the obvious influence The Beatles had.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2014 at 23:19
Their placement in proto-prog is as much justified as it is for The Beatles..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2014 at 23:18
Yes they were very progressive in those days...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2014 at 14:46
I say it again, the Doors are bigger than Psych, asid and whatever. They are the DOORS, nuff said.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2014 at 09:23
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

made a couple of symphonic Prog albums in the RPI style and for that they qualify for addition here.
I missed those albums. Did Jim sing in Italian and all?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2014 at 09:17
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2014 at 09:11
Things may come and things may go but the I Pooh debate goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on ... And on and on and on and on....

No, they are not a Prog band, though the fount of all misinformation, wikipoodiah, says they are. They were/are a pop band that in the 70s made a couple of symphonic Prog albums in the RPI style and for that they qualify for addition here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2014 at 08:03
sarcasm just flies over your head methinks (it's a missile not a frisbee)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2014 at 07:33
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Pietro Otello Romano Pietro Otello Romano wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I don't like The Doors or U2. The Doors are one of those bands that when a song by them comes on the radio I have to turn it off. Its interesting that Robert Plant dubbed The Stranglers 'The British Doors' yet I like The Stranglers. 

I bought Joshua Tree but found it just gave me a headache and I got rid pretty quickly. The way 80's music was produced often had that affect on me though.


I am totally agree, and above all I don't think they are prog at all. There are artists refused by the administrators that even if is debatable if they are better than the Doors, at least they are in the boundaries of progrock: Cat Stevens (Foreigner suite), Joe Jackson (Heaven and Hell, Night Music) etc... Consequentially my question is about the the nature of this site, is it a site about prog music, or just a site of good contemporary music? Because if its the latter, it is ever trickier, which are the parameter to discern the good music from the "bad"? Is Morricone bad music? Or are the Pooh, (that are listed here) good music?


No-one is claiming that the Doors were a Prog band. They are listed here as Proto Prog which means (amongst other things) that they AIN'T a Prog band. They are however deemed to have contributed to that bridge between Psyche and Prog that occurred during the late 60's. As Dean has already pointed out, there are no parameters on PA to discern good music from bad music: artists are considered for inclusion based on their relevance to Prog Rock. Cat Stevens was nominated but rejected here: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74623&KW=Cat+Stevens
but I can't find a similar nomination for Joe Jackson (whose work I like and he's written a symphony but that doesn't make him relevant to Prog Rock) Are the Pooh a band you think worthy of inclusion or are you just talking s.h.i.t.e?
 



No I don`t think at all that Pooh are worty of inclusion, I just let you know that they are already included. Check the link: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3832
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2014 at 07:11
Originally posted by Pietro Otello Romano Pietro Otello Romano wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I don't like The Doors or U2. The Doors are one of those bands that when a song by them comes on the radio I have to turn it off. Its interesting that Robert Plant dubbed The Stranglers 'The British Doors' yet I like The Stranglers. 

I bought Joshua Tree but found it just gave me a headache and I got rid pretty quickly. The way 80's music was produced often had that affect on me though.


I am totally agree, and above all I don't think they are prog at all. There are artists refused by the administrators that even if is debatable if they are better than the Doors, at least they are in the boundaries of progrock: Cat Stevens (Foreigner suite), Joe Jackson (Heaven and Hell, Night Music) etc... Consequentially my question is about the the nature of this site, is it a site about prog music, or just a site of good contemporary music? Because if its the latter, it is ever trickier, which are the parameter to discern the good music from the "bad"? Is Morricone bad music? Or are the Pooh, (that are listed here) good music?


No-one is claiming that the Doors were a Prog band. They are listed here as Proto Prog which means (amongst other things) that they AIN'T a Prog band. They are however deemed to have contributed to that bridge between Psyche and Prog that occurred during the late 60's. As Dean has already pointed out, there are no parameters on PA to discern good music from bad music: artists are considered for inclusion based on their relevance to Prog Rock. Cat Stevens was nominated but rejected here: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74623&KW=Cat+Stevens
but I can't find a similar nomination for Joe Jackson (whose work I like and he's written a symphony but that doesn't make him relevant to Prog Rock) Are the Pooh a band you think worthy of inclusion or are you just talking s.h.i.t.e?
 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2014 at 19:23
It's a site about prog and prog-related music. Some is good, some bad, and nothing's better than the Doors. Smile

Anyway the aim of the site is to present prog rock in its various forms. I hope you've seen About page: http://www.progarchives.com/about_us.asp
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2014 at 04:59
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I don't like The Doors or U2. The Doors are one of those bands that when a song by them comes on the radio I have to turn it off. Its interesting that Robert Plant dubbed The Stranglers 'The British Doors' yet I like The Stranglers. 

I bought Joshua Tree but found it just gave me a headache and I got rid pretty quickly. The way 80's music was produced often had that affect on me though.


I am totally agree, and above all I don't think they are prog at all. There are artists refused by the administrators that even if is debatable if they are better than the Doors, at least they are in the boundaries of progrock: Cat Stevens (Foreigner suite), Joe Jackson (Heaven and Hell, Night Music) etc... Consequentially my question is about the the nature of this site, is it a site about prog music, or just a site of good contemporary music? Because if its the latter, it is ever trickier, which are the parameter to discern the good music from the "bad"? Is Morricone bad music? Or are the Pooh, (that are listed here) good music?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2014 at 15:29
I don't like The Doors or U2. The Doors are one of those bands that when a song by them comes on the radio I have to turn it off. Its interesting that Robert Plant dubbed The Stranglers 'The British Doors' yet I like The Stranglers. 

I bought Joshua Tree but found it just gave me a headache and I got rid pretty quickly. The way 80's music was produced often had that affect on me though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2014 at 07:50
I've always liked The Doors, but I've also noticed that there is a very persistent group of people among "classic rock" music listeners who absolutely despise them. I've never understood it. Probably it's just another one of these cases where a band became very successful and didn't fit into their tastes so they feel compelled to find any excuse to push them down.

POR also mentioned U2, which is an another good example of this. I know a lot of people who "hate" U2. As far as I know, none of them ever listened to any of the albums U2 made at their peak. They just know some of the overplayed hits and have a vague general image of Bono being some sort of an a****le. Hence, U2 must suck. Sure.

The Doors are great.
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