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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 17:09
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Bluesy Psychedelic Rock and Acid Rock, in what has later been seen as Art Rock (but wasn't at the time), they were never Progressive Rock, they followed a parallel path of their own that can be regarded as a progressive approach and mindset (which was not uncommon back then). Influential on the development of Prog certainly, (which is why we list them here in Proto-Prog), but none of their songs are Prog Rock within the late 60s early 70s framework, nor did it ever seem to be heading in that direction.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 16:13
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 14:48
does anyband have to be prog to be good?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 11:57
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Bluesy Psychedelic Rock and Acid Rock, in what has later been seen as Art Rock (but wasn't at the time), they were never Progressive Rock, they followed a parallel path of their own that can be regarded as a progressive approach and mindset (which was not uncommon back then). Influential on the development of Prog certainly, (which is why we list them here in Proto-Prog), but none of their songs are Prog Rock within the late 60s early 70s framework, nor did it ever seem to be heading in that direction.
 
Agreed.
 
I think the whole thing was geared more towards what Jim came up with than anything else ... and the problem was that it was a oen way road to no one knows where ... but the music left behind is astounding ... and yeah ... the feelings, the moods and the "visualness" of the words, are what sticks the most in my mind. Most of the "progressive" bands are nowhere near that at all.
 
I kinda think that in the West Coast in America, the desire to be more musically adventurous just was not there ... the "trip" was always more interesting and fun than anything else, and most bands in SF and LA displayed that and few of them went out of that element to be able to be considered ... "progressive".
 
But the influence ... is all over the place and then some, which makes it hard to not mention and include sometimes!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 00:02
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

In all respect - if The Beatles are considered a Proto-Prog band, then surely The Doors are more than worthy.  'Proto' is the keyword.  Prog, but not 'Prog'.
Ehem....
Hmm, dunno what to say, then......Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 19:35
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

In all respect - if The Beatles are considered a Proto-Prog band, then surely The Doors are more than worthy.  'Proto' is the keyword.  Prog, but not 'Prog'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 19:21
Ermm I don't think anyone's questioning their worthiness for Proto Prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 19:10
In all respect - if The Beatles are considered a Proto-Prog band, then surely The Doors are more than worthy.  'Proto' is the keyword.  Prog, but not 'Prog'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 13:50
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 13:30
Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

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My favourite Jim Morrison quote. Texas Radio and the Big Beat baby
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 13:18
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Bluesy Psychedelic Rock and Acid Rock, in what has later been seen as Art Rock (but wasn't at the time), they were never Progressive Rock, they followed a parallel path of their own that can be regarded as a progressive approach and mindset (which was not uncommon back then). Influential on the development of Prog certainly, (which is why we list them here in Proto-Prog), but none of their songs are Prog Rock within the late 60s early 70s framework, nor did it ever seem to be heading in that direction.

Nothing else to add.
I disagree. The Doors were U.S. '60s progressive rock act without a doubt. The Doors just weren't a part of English Progressive Rock Movement what virtually makes above mentioned "late 60s early 70s framework". The Doors regulary ought to be in Archives as Psych, or Eclectic, or Crossover prog act - nevermind in which one section of those exactly, but that section ought to be a progressive rock category, not "proto prog".

You cannot reinvent the history of Progressive Rock to make it fit your idealised dream of what happened back then or to slot in your favourite artists, that is simply revisionist and wrong. Nor can you redefine what Prog Rock is to make them fit - if they were not described as Progressive Rock in their own timeframe we cannot decribe them as such now.
 

The Doors do not fit into any of those subgenres, even Psych is wholly inapproriate because they never made a Psychedelic Progressive Rock record (if that less-than subtle distinction flies over your head then I suggest you read the Psych/Space Rock genre definition) ... we do not add every Psychedelic Rock band there ever was into that genre, just as we do nat add every Avant Garde composer into Avant Prog or every Electric Folk Rock artist into Prog Folk.

I can't reinvent history of Progressive Rock, but there are some musicologists who can do it and who alredy did it!


A long time ago I meet Koja ("Koya") who was leader of  Šarlo Akrobata, a Punk trio from New Belgrade, Serbia, because he use to live just a few blocks away from my place.

Šarlo Akrobata trio were 100% punk outfit when released that material what on very misterious way qualified them for Prog  Archives. Well,  because of so called "patriotic" reason, I would be happy because one punk bass player from my street is in PA'  RIO / Avant Prog section, where the legends like THE DOORS "can not be" included, because "not every avant band is prog" and so on, but ... Confused 


I find one "prog" video of Šarlo Akrobata. I just wish that The Doors fan(s) notice how sounds a PUNK band that has an advantage as "RIO / Avant prog" over The Doors.


http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3696
"... Today, we can take a broader look at the band from prog rock perspective: their inovation and elements of art rock / avant Rock ..."



This song is their athem. Maybe nice punk song, but Prog???!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 13:12
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 13:09
Open minded prog approach : check
Some prog moments : check
Ahead of their time : check
Good musicianship : check
 
The Doors were influential in the development of the prog scene for sure, maybe among the first prog bands, but definitely proto prog.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 12:56
^exactomundo.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 12:46
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

They are THE DOORS. Nuff said. Bigger than any genre. That's it.


Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 12:38
They are THE DOORS. Nuff said. Bigger than any genre. That's it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 11:19
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:


Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Bluesy Psychedelic Rock and Acid Rock, in what has later been seen as Art Rock (but wasn't at the time), they were never Progressive Rock, they followed a parallel path of their own that can be regarded as a progressive approach and mindset (which was not uncommon back then). Influential on the development of Prog certainly, (which is why we list them here in Proto-Prog), but none of their songs are Prog Rock within the late 60s early 70s framework, nor did it ever seem to be heading in that direction.

Nothing else to add.


I disagree. The Doors were U.S. '60s progressive rock act without a doubt. The Doors just weren't a part of English Progressive Rock Movement what virtually makes above mentioned "late 60s early 70s framework". The Doors regulary ought to be in Archives as Psych, or Eclectic, or Crossover prog act - nevermind in which one section of those exactly, but that section ought to be a progressive rock category, not "proto prog".
You cannot reinvent the history of Progressive Rock to make it fit your idealised dream of what happened back then or to slot in your favourite artists, that is simply revisionist and wrong. Nor can you redefine what Prog Rock is to make them fit - if they were not described as Progressive Rock in their own timeframe we cannot decribe them as such now.
 
The Doors do not fit into any of those subgenres, even Psych is wholly inapproriate because they never made a Psychedelic Progressive Rock record (if that less-than subtle distinction flies over your head then I suggest you read the Psych/Space Rock genre definition) ... we do not add every Psychedelic Rock band there ever was into that genre, just as we do not add every Avant Garde composer into Avant Prog or every Electric Folk Rock artist into Prog Folk.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 11:07
No. But they are prog or prog-related enough to warrant inclusion here. Wait... they already are here. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 11:06
They certainly had their progy and experimental songs, but overall I don't consider them as a prog band.
Like David said they mixed a lot of styles. Diverse but not prog.
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