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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 13:50
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 19:10
In all respect - if The Beatles are considered a Proto-Prog band, then surely The Doors are more than worthy.  'Proto' is the keyword.  Prog, but not 'Prog'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 19:21
Ermm I don't think anyone's questioning their worthiness for Proto Prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2013 at 19:35
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

In all respect - if The Beatles are considered a Proto-Prog band, then surely The Doors are more than worthy.  'Proto' is the keyword.  Prog, but not 'Prog'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 00:02
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

In all respect - if The Beatles are considered a Proto-Prog band, then surely The Doors are more than worthy.  'Proto' is the keyword.  Prog, but not 'Prog'.
Ehem....
Hmm, dunno what to say, then......Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 10:32
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 11:57
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Bluesy Psychedelic Rock and Acid Rock, in what has later been seen as Art Rock (but wasn't at the time), they were never Progressive Rock, they followed a parallel path of their own that can be regarded as a progressive approach and mindset (which was not uncommon back then). Influential on the development of Prog certainly, (which is why we list them here in Proto-Prog), but none of their songs are Prog Rock within the late 60s early 70s framework, nor did it ever seem to be heading in that direction.
 
Agreed.
 
I think the whole thing was geared more towards what Jim came up with than anything else ... and the problem was that it was a oen way road to no one knows where ... but the music left behind is astounding ... and yeah ... the feelings, the moods and the "visualness" of the words, are what sticks the most in my mind. Most of the "progressive" bands are nowhere near that at all.
 
I kinda think that in the West Coast in America, the desire to be more musically adventurous just was not there ... the "trip" was always more interesting and fun than anything else, and most bands in SF and LA displayed that and few of them went out of that element to be able to be considered ... "progressive".
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 14:48
does anyband have to be prog to be good?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 16:13
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 17:09
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Bluesy Psychedelic Rock and Acid Rock, in what has later been seen as Art Rock (but wasn't at the time), they were never Progressive Rock, they followed a parallel path of their own that can be regarded as a progressive approach and mindset (which was not uncommon back then). Influential on the development of Prog certainly, (which is why we list them here in Proto-Prog), but none of their songs are Prog Rock within the late 60s early 70s framework, nor did it ever seem to be heading in that direction.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 17:38
^ I agree with most Dean's points, though in my opinion The Doors never were true Psychedelic or Acid Rock band.

Edited by NotAProghead - May 18 2013 at 17:39
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 19:26
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Ermm I don't think anyone's questioning their worthiness for Proto Prog.
Why ask the question then - if they are Proto-Prog, then one considers them 'Progressive', no ?? - just before the fact.......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 19:37
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Ermm I don't think anyone's questioning their worthiness for Proto Prog.
Why ask the question then - if they are Proto-Prog, then one considers them 'Progressive', no ?? - just before the fact.......
Dunno, don't ask me I only work here. People seem to like asking redundant questions. We get that a lot. Would you believe we've even had wet behind the ears whipper-snappers questioning whether Pink Floyd is Prog?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 19:44
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Ermm I don't think anyone's questioning their worthiness for Proto Prog.
Why ask the question then - if they are Proto-Prog, then one considers them 'Progressive', no ?? - just before the fact.......
Dunno, don't ask me I only work here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 22:34
Progressive? Yes. Prog? No.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2013 at 00:36
Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

I like them a lot, that's enough for me. Labels are something the industri needs for promotion, reviewers for categorization. As I listener it doesn't matter.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2013 at 03:24
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:


^ I agree with most Dean's points, though in my opinion The Doors never were true Psychedelic or Acid Rock band.


Maby so, but they sure did pop some trips to make it happen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2013 at 03:57
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2013 at 22:17
To return to the original questions: yes, they were beyond a doubt progressive, and I'll let it go at that without getting into all the progressive/prog hair-splitting.

Among their most progressive songs, IMO:

Break on Through
Strange Days
The End
The Crystal Ship
The Unknown Soldier
Not to Touch the Earth
Spanish Caravan
The Soft Parade
Light My Fire
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2013 at 23:40
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Progressive? Yes. Prog? No.


I agree.

The Doors weren't for example Symphonic rock or Canterbury rock, but they were progressive rock band.

Also, I agree that the term 'prog' doesn't mean anymore a short of progressive rock only. Maybe it's not fair but that's the reality. At present day, Prog is a genre with a number of 'retro' bands who are playing recycled music of '70s symphonic rock and we call them Symphonic Prog and / or Neo Prog because those bands are able to recycle 70s symphonic rock clishes more or less gracefuly, but there's no way to recycle an essential progressive band from '60s - The Doors.

EDIT: I agree with NotAProgHead that The Doors weren't Psychedelic and / or Acid Rock band.

Edited by Svetonio - May 20 2013 at 01:48
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