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    Posted: June 14 2013 at 08:11
Not arguing with you anymore.  It is off topic.
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2013 at 08:24
Originally posted by Svetonio

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Those phenomenons as "ghosts", UFO, SHC, oceans' "monsters" and so on, really exists, but the Science can not explain such things yet.
 

 

Can you back up that statement with evidence?

Of course he can't.

There is a lot of evidences that a number od phenomenas exists, but the Science is not able to explain what is that yet. For example, SHC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_human_combustion
I'm quite prepared to believe in SHC as it's an observed phenomena but one we haven't found a definitive scientific explanation for, however ghosts and UFOs are a different thing and generally explainable e.g. the guy who reported he must have been abducted by aliens as his watch was an hour slow so he must have lost an hour of his life, also he'd seen a strange object in the sky. The authorities wrote back explaining about the weather balloon that had been in the area and about the clocks going back that night!

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than you are dreamt in your philosophy"

Spontaneous combustion  has been proved as  hokum. At least  there is no evidence to support it. And a  quote from Shakespear  proves nothing.

Yes, it proves a lot. For example, let's imagine "Horatio" bump to see this:

What he's gonna to say about? Those guys are demons, angels or gods?

They're scientists.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2013 at 08:29
Anyway, as Ian said, we're getting well off topic here.
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Is there another Ian around here?
                
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Always has been.
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There's only Ian. Wink Well there are others, but you know what I mean
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Post Options Post Options   Quote progbethyname Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2013 at 11:01
Originally posted by Popovych

I think Genesis should have been switched Musical Box and Fountain of Salmacsis, from beginning to end.


Woohoo. This could work. ;)

Wouldn't ruin the structure or integrity of the album flow. Good ear man.

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Fair point about Aphrodite's Child 666 album. Break is a very odd track to finish with and totally out of character with the rest of the album . However All The Seats Were Occupied is actually just a rehash of music on the first 3 sides. The album comes to a natural conclusion on Side 3 and Side 4 is just there to make it into a double. (still one of my favourite albums nevertheless)

SHC - I thought this had been explained? The human body burns likes a candle and sometimes all that is left is the feet


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Post Options Post Options   Quote stegor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2013 at 23:18
I just want to take this back to the beginning for a sec because Isle of Plenty is one of the best endings to one of the best albums ever. The last track should make you want to go back and start it over, and that reprise of Moonlit Knight does just that. And the lyrics are so absurd, but they wrap it all up into the title. Brilliant.

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I just realized my post just reprised the first post of this thread, just like Isle of Plenty reprises Moonlit Night. Brilliant.Approve


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Horizons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2013 at 23:27
Originally posted by progbethyname

Originally posted by Popovych

I think Genesis should have been switched Musical Box and Fountain of Salmacsis, from beginning to end.


Woohoo. This could work. ;)

Wouldn't ruin the structure or integrity of the album flow. Good ear man.


Are you two implying that Fountain is bad? Or worse than Box? Cuz both are wrong Tongue

I'm not sure what the point of this is ;[??
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Post Options Post Options   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2013 at 10:26
Hi,
 
It's more plagued by people that do not listen to "music" and people who think that top ten endings is the only thing that anyone out there can create!
 
There is no such thing! You either take the whole person, or you are just "demanding" that someone kiss your holy feet and garters!
 
All of us have "defects" ... and in some albums there might be one song you don't like ... but is that person less of an artist or appreciated because they have a club foot?
 
Please look at the source and the art ... stop worrying about 3 minutes, that supposedly tear it up for you ... and sometimes it was done on purpose, as in the case of Kevin Ayers and Roy Harper ... they put things in the loo and such in there on purpose to prevent you from creating an image of a "star" that is obnoxious, stupid and sick!
 
PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE.  And what they do, they DO. And if they worry about your concern for a bad track, then you know why you are not in their place!  Somebody's poop is someone else's gold ... just ask Ozzie!


Edited by moshkito - June 16 2013 at 10:39
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Post Options Post Options   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2013 at 01:01
^ Which is entirely irrelevant as you are basically stating that any negative thoughts about music are bad. Total poppycock! You are allowed to not like certain tracks and you are allowed to discuss this openly. Moshkito please stop being such an arse thanks.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote progbethyname Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2013 at 08:59
Originally posted by Horizons


Originally posted by progbethyname

Originally posted by Popovych

I think Genesis should have been switched Musical Box and Fountain of Salmacsis, from beginning to end.


Woohoo. This could work. ;)

Wouldn't ruin the structure or integrity of the album flow. Good ear man.


Are you two implying that Fountain is bad? Or worse than Box? Cuz both are wrong Tongue
I'm not sure what the point of this is ;[??


To whom are you referring to? Me? If so, it shall be made clear that neither are bad tracks in any Sense of the word. I'm in agreement with popovych where the musical box would make a good ending track rather than an opener as it is.

That's all. :)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2013 at 09:08
Originally posted by Horizons

Originally posted by progbethyname

Originally posted by Popovych

I think Genesis should have been switched Musical Box and Fountain of Salmacsis, from beginning to end.


Woohoo. This could work. ;)

Wouldn't ruin the structure or integrity of the album flow. Good ear man.


Are you two implying that Fountain is bad? Or worse than Box? Cuz both are wrong Tongue

I'm not sure what the point of this is ;[??
He's just saying that you could have swapped the order of both tracks, I tend to agree as both have brilliant climatic endings. "Fountain" also has arguably a more dramatic beginning.
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Everytime I hear 'It' I cry, it's the true essential ending of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway musically and storywise. Masterpiece!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote twosteves Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2013 at 10:21
Originally posted by Swedish Prog Mafia

Everytime I hear 'It' I cry, it's the true essential ending of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway musically and storywise. Masterpiece!

Have to agree--(not the crying part all the timeBig smile)-- IT is the perfect end ---it pulls all the meaning of The Lamb together--plus that repetitious Hackett guitar riff is just genius.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guldbamsen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2013 at 10:25
So many great ending tracks out there - even among those most people tend to neglect (or despiseTongue). A thing like Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast fx.

Marmalade.....I like marmalade. 
I really do.




Edited by Guldbamsen - June 18 2013 at 10:25
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Originally posted by stegor

I just want to take this back to the beginning for a sec because Isle of Plenty is one of the best endings to one of the best albums ever. The last track should make you want to go back and start it over, and that reprise of Moonlit Knight does just that. And the lyrics are so absurd, but they wrap it all up into the title. Brilliant.

-edit-

I just realized my post just reprised the first post of this thread, just like Isle of Plenty reprises Moonlit Night. Brilliant.Approve

LOL
I agree when it comes to Isle of Plenty, but even if the lyrics seem absurd, they do make sense because of the puns on British supermarkets: Safeway, Fine Fare and Tesco, and there’s even a reference to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retailers%27_cooperative

- which explains her discount. A perfect ending.
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I say nothing is nothing
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Originally posted by richardh

^ Which is entirely irrelevant as you are basically stating that any negative thoughts about music are bad. Total poppycock! You are allowed to not like certain tracks and you are allowed to discuss this openly. Moshkito please stop being such an arse thanks.
 
You're only supporting a socialist/homogenic theme in a board like this ... that everyone has to agree to the idea that this and that is correct! And like most religions, that means you can not do something or other, because it has to be done just like Steve Hackett did it! Or Peter Hammill!
 
We should know a lot better, and your statement is out of line, and much more negative than mine ... which was trying to stand up for the individuality that Hackett, Hammill and so many others had ... that TODAY, you are not allowing any other composers or bands to do something different and free ... instead of the same thing, because we think such and such.
 
I stood up for the freedom ... you didn't like that!
 
Sorry to hear it, because you will kill "progressive" and "prog" with your ideas!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2013 at 11:38
^Pedro. you don't half spout some poppycock.

I for one do not like It, the final song on Lamb and no saying that I should because the artist liked it is going to change that.


Edited by Snow Dog - June 18 2013 at 11:40
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