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Gerinski
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Posted: June 11 2013 at 08:21 |
I can't agree with the OP, of course there are better and worse ending albums, but even Are You Ready Eddy is a decent album closer (shoot me if you want).
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RedNightmareKing
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Posted: June 11 2013 at 11:46 |
Well, my opinions were shot down quickly haha. Many points have been proven here, but I still stand by my original thoughts. This has brought about a great discussion though, and that's exactly what I was looking for.
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I consider drone metal to be progressive...
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 11 2013 at 14:21 |
Never really paid attention to that.....but I imagine you could find some great ending tracks and some bad ones....but I don't think there is any reason to think that classic prog or modern prog either is 'plagued' by bad ending tracks....just lighthouse keepers.
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Hercules
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Posted: June 11 2013 at 15:22 |
m2thek wrote:
Aisle of Plenty is the only way to close SEBTP |
I agree completely.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: June 11 2013 at 15:47 |
Dead forum is dead.
Ahem, anyway... I never noticed this problem.
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Manuel
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Posted: June 11 2013 at 18:00 |
Prog_Bassist wrote:
i totally disagree on aisle of plenty as well, perfect ending to a perfect album
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I also disagree. It could not go anywhere else, as it makes for a perfect ending, both musically and lyrically.
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Neo-Romantic
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Posted: June 12 2013 at 01:24 |
I firmly and loudly disagree with the sentiment that "It" is a bad ending. This is literally my favorite ending to any narrative album ever. It's my second-favorite Genesis track behind Carpet Crawlers. I don't care if I'm in the minority; I believe it's the point where Rael finds that which he has been lacking in the story all along: a sense of love. It's so upbeat and different because of the sense of new-found positivity that was never there before.
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fs_tol
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Posted: June 12 2013 at 01:47 |
The one word that always ends this kind of discussions: Starless
Also, Amarok :P
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Metalmarsh89
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Posted: June 12 2013 at 15:33 |
Is the problem that the closing tracks of some prog albums are improperly placed, or that they are just not good tracks? If you just don't like the tracks, well that's how so many albums are set up (of any genre). Best to worst in that order. If the issue is improper placement, I think more often than not, it's done rather well. Pink Floyd is quite proficient at finishing off albums. Nearly every Rush album finishes with a very good track. Dream Theater's common closing epics might not always be their best works, but they definitely suit the albums and fit nicely.
On the other hand I agree with the observations on Yes' Close to the Edge. Mike Oldfield's Ommadawn had a weak finish (not the title track, but On Horseback song). BUT, I'd say more often than not, and more often than albums from other genres and music styles, prog albums tend to have better structures and setups.
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brainstormer
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Posted: June 12 2013 at 15:41 |
Horizons wrote:
I think the classic period is just "overrated" (for lack of a better word atm), you're just realizing that every prog album in the 70's wasn't perfect :P |
Maybe they are just two totally different schools of music.
I think this helps further define things. If you think something is overrated, and I don't like the newer stuff at all that you like, maybe we have nothing in common when it comes to musical tastes.
Why try to force it?
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HarbouringTheSoul
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Posted: June 12 2013 at 15:51 |
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
If you just don't like the tracks, well that's how so many albums are set up (of any genre). |
Really? I think it's more like "start with a bang, end with a bang and put all the weaker stuff in the middle".
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: June 12 2013 at 18:28 |
Prog is plagued with a lot of bad music period. Just because it's complex, has " profound " lyrics and has 20 different instruments plus a symphony orchestra means it's.... Wait a minute there's a recipe for bad right there. A lot of people think Tales From Topographic Oceans is bad including one guy who played on it. One guy even baled out before it was made. There's a lot of dribble especially after 1975 when it had pretty much eaten itself alive creatively. What was there after TAAB, Close To The Edge, Tarkus, Foxtrot and ITCOTCK. The big five right there. Everything else was pretty much rehash with a few unique exceptions such as GG, Focus and VDGG.
Edited by Vibrationbaby - June 12 2013 at 20:16
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: June 12 2013 at 18:30 |
Gerinski wrote:
I can't agree with the OP, of course there are better and worse ending albums, but even Are You Ready Eddy is a decent album closer (shoot me if you want). |
I'm in the same boat with Gerinski. So you can shoot me too.
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Earendil
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Posted: June 12 2013 at 18:39 |
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Svetonio
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Posted: June 12 2013 at 18:57 |
Horizons wrote:
I think the classic period is just "overrated" (for lack of a better word atm), you're just realizing that every prog album in the 70's wasn't perfect :P |
.. but it was fresh and bold.
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Svetonio
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Posted: June 12 2013 at 19:07 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Prog is plagued with a lot of bad music period. Just because it's complex, has " profound " and has 20 different instruments plus a symphony orchestra means it's.... Wait a minute there's a recipe for bad right there. A lot of people think Tales From Topographic Oceans is bad including one guy who played on it. One guy even baled out before it was made. There's a lot of dribble especially after 1975 when it had pretty much eaten itself alive creatively. What was there after TAAB, Close to the Edge, Tarkus, Foxtrot and ITCOCK. The big five right there. Everything else was pretty much rehash with a few unique exceptions such as GG, Focus and VDGG. |
Just to name a few, because 1975 and 1976 were THE years.
Also, not bad ending tracks at all
Edited by Svetonio - June 12 2013 at 20:01
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: June 12 2013 at 20:20 |
I would beg to differ on a few but Stratosfear was definitely one of TGs classics along with Rubycon and Phaedra.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: June 12 2013 at 20:29 |
"Los Endos" makes perfect sense as a closing track. If it were at the start it would "Los Beginningos".
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Horizons
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Posted: June 12 2013 at 21:12 |
Svetonio wrote:
Horizons wrote:
I think the classic period is just "overrated" (for lack of a better word atm), you're just realizing that every prog album in the 70's wasn't perfect :P |
.. but it was fresh and bold. |
I couldn't care less. I look at the content more. That's why i don't think In The Court.. is a 5* album. Sure it was pivotal to progressive music, but that doesn't change the quality of music.
Lets keep influence and quality separated.
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progbethyname
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Posted: June 12 2013 at 22:27 |
I think it's hit or miss overall and it depends what the listener thinks due to what albums he or she has. I can say that the majority of my prog albums I have good endings. Definitely with in my prog metal collection for sure. So in my experience because of what I have been exposed to im gonna say no. :)
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