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    Posted: June 24 2013 at 18:59
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<span style="line-height: 1.2;">Also. Does A SCRIPT FOR A JESTERS TEAR give you confidence not wallow in a lost love? </span>Listening to a SCRIPT never makes me want to Dwell in such matters. Nice story though and picture of emotions relayed by FISH. anyways. I know I'm a bit different. Lol

"Promised wedding now a wake" is such a powerful image...and the way he spits it out with such venom on the live "Thieving Magpie" version of Script always knocks me out...Bowdown



I guess I don't any woman to make me feel that way. Fish. Puts me on the defensive not to feel let down by a woman.

'The Game is oooooooooooooover!!!!'



No remorse no regrets. It's hard to do have this in the game of love.
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<span style="line-height: 1.2;">Also. Does A SCRIPT FOR A JESTERS TEAR give you confidence not wallow in a lost love? </span>Listening to a SCRIPT never makes me want to Dwell in such matters. Nice story though and picture of emotions relayed by FISH. anyways. I know I'm a bit different. Lol

"Promised wedding now a wake" is such a powerful image...and the way he spits it out with such venom on the live "Thieving Magpie" version of Script always knocks me out...Bowdown



I guess I don't any woman to make me feel that way. Fish. Puts me on the defensive not to feel let down by a woman.

'The Game is oooooooooooooover!!!!'

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Also. Does A SCRIPT FOR A JESTERS TEAR give you confidence not wallow in a lost love? 
Listening to a SCRIPT never makes me want to Dwell in such matters. Nice story though and picture of emotions relayed by FISH. anyways. I know I'm a bit different. Lol

"Promised wedding now a wake" is such a powerful image...and the way he spits it out with such venom on the live "Thieving Magpie" version of Script always knocks me out...Bowdown


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^ this is fun.



It's just amazing the insight and creativity FISH has in his lyrics. He has serious depth. Not too many like him.
I'm glad he has been the subject of topic on this forum. He should be well known and appreciated.

Now, what can we say out of the 4 albums FISH has with MARILLION had the most impact on yourself, lyrically??

For me it's Misplaced Childhood.  There are too many excellent metaphors and analogies to count as the main character relives the myriad twists and turns of his love-ravaged existence.  The song "Childhood's End" where he confronts himself in a mirror rediscovering that his true self still exists even after his trials and tribulations gives me the chills every single time I hear it Clap


Ah yes. The infamous man in the mirror confronting the true character of himself. That's a powerful point in the story. Dear god what an album! Really teaches you to grow up!   

Ya, maybe they should have titled the album:
Misplaced Childhood (or How I Learned to Get Over Myself) LOL


Well maybe not that harshly But we all need a shot in the arm to either wake up or put petty squabbles aside and move on with your life. Really all 4 fish albums send out a very deep and meaningful message and all are helpful in one's life. I think it's an honor to be touched and changed by some of the FISH years Marillion albums.
Sometimes in life we just gotta put the headphones on and be taught a few things. I owe a lot to music poetic or not. :)

Also. Does A SCRIPT FOR A JESTERS TEAR give you confidence not wallow in a lost love?
Listening to a SCRIPT never makes me want to Dwell in such matters. Nice story though and picture of emotions relayed by FISH. anyways. I know I'm a bit different. Lol
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Originally posted by progbethyname

^ this is fun.



It's just amazing the insight and creativity FISH has in his lyrics. He has serious depth. Not too many like him.
I'm glad he has been the subject of topic on this forum. He should be well known and appreciated.

Now, what can we say out of the 4 albums FISH has with MARILLION had the most impact on yourself, lyrically??

For me it's Misplaced Childhood.  There are too many excellent metaphors and analogies to count as the main character relives the myriad twists and turns of his love-ravaged existence.  The song "Childhood's End" where he confronts himself in a mirror rediscovering that his true self still exists even after his trials and tribulations gives me the chills every single time I hear it Clap


Ah yes. The infamous man in the mirror confronting the true character of himself. That's a powerful point in the story. Dear god what an album! Really teaches you to grow up!   

Ya, maybe they should have titled the album:

Misplaced Childhood (or How I Learned to Get Over Myself) LOL
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Originally posted by progbethyname

^ this is fun.



It's just amazing the insight and creativity FISH has in his lyrics. He has serious depth. Not too many like him.
I'm glad he has been the subject of topic on this forum. He should be well known and appreciated.

Now, what can we say out of the 4 albums FISH has with MARILLION had the most impact on yourself, lyrically??

For me it's Misplaced Childhood.  There are too many excellent metaphors and analogies to count as the main character relives the myriad twists and turns of his love-ravaged existence.  The song "Childhood's End" where he confronts himself in a mirror rediscovering that his true self still exists even after his trials and tribulations gives me the chills every single time I hear it Clap


Ah yes. The infamous man in the mirror confronting the true character of himself. That's a powerful point in the story. Dear god what an album! Really teaches you to grow up!   
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Originally posted by progbethyname

^ this is fun.



It's just amazing the insight and creativity FISH has in his lyrics. He has serious depth. Not too many like him.
I'm glad he has been the subject of topic on this forum. He should be well known and appreciated.

Now, what can we say out of the 4 albums FISH has with MARILLION had the most impact on yourself, lyrically??

For me it's Misplaced Childhood.  There are too many excellent metaphors and analogies to count as the main character relives the myriad twists and turns of his love-ravaged existence.  The song "Childhood's End" where he confronts himself in a mirror rediscovering that his true self still exists even after his trials and tribulations gives me the chills every single time I hear it Clap


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It's just amazing the insight and creativity FISH has in his lyrics. He has serious depth. Not too many like him.
I'm glad he has been the subject of topic on this forum. He should be well known and appreciated.

Now, what can we say out of the 4 albums FISH has with MARILLION had the most impact on yourself, lyrically??

For me, it has to be CLUTCHING AT THE STRAWS.
That is an album that really taught me not be a person to get overly aquainted and comfortable with the whole 'bar culture.' To me, it's really easy to get caught up being a complete barfly and piss away your life in the process.
The album, as a whole, inspired me to choose athletics over being a bar stool and to hang out with the right people in life, especially not the ones who will drag you down with them. Lastly, the album taught me that if you become really good at something don't let it get away from you so easy by being a victim of bad habit. In This instance, I'm a runner so hanging out at the bar all the time won't help my talents at all.

Just a bit of food for thought, but I'd be very interested to hear what you all have to say including TUBES AND KNOBBY if they freaking behave! Lol
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I found a clip of "Incubus" with Fish explaining his lyrical intention.  He doesn't specifically mention "The Web" or the "flower and gravestone", but does tell an amusing story of an embarrassing photograph LOL

Clap nice find. He does mention The Web at the beginning of the intro-story.

Right you are!  I missed it the first time through...guess I just couldn't understand his Scottish Highland Brogue Confused


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I always thought the gravestone and flower were allusions to the death of his spilt seed and his own mourning (self pity) about it. The message: Don't jack off. You're killing potential people.
Fish would not make such a statement and it's a wild leap of imagination to interpret it that way.
 
Incubus continues from where The Web finishes. For clues compare "You're all but forgotten, A mote in my heart" from The Web with " I've played this scene before, I the mote in your eye" from Incubus - they are thematically linked through photographs "Faded photos exposing pain"/"The darkroom unleashes imagination in pornographic images".
 
The Web was about a person not letting go after the end if a relationship, Incubus is the same person discovering compromising photographs from that relationship and realising the embarassment they could cause to the ex-girlfriend now. "With no flower to place before this gravestone" is merely an observation that there is no one mourning the death of that old relationship.

I found a clip of "Incubus" with Fish explaining his lyrical intention.  He doesn't specifically mention "The Web" or the "flower and gravestone", but does tell an amusing story of an embarrassing photograph LOL

Clap nice find. He does mention The Web at the beginning of the intro-story.


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I always thought the gravestone and flower were allusions to the death of his spilt seed and his own mourning (self pity) about it. The message: Don't jack off. You're killing potential people.
Fish would not make such a statement and it's a wild leap of imagination to interpret it that way.
 
Incubus continues from where The Web finishes. For clues compare "You're all but forgotten, A mote in my heart" from The Web with " I've played this scene before, I the mote in your eye" from Incubus - they are thematically linked through photographs "Faded photos exposing pain"/"The darkroom unleashes imagination in pornographic images".
 
The Web was about a person not letting go after the end if a relationship, Incubus is the same person discovering compromising photographs from that relationship and realising the embarassment they could cause to the ex-girlfriend now. "With no flower to place before this gravestone" is merely an observation that there is no one mourning the death of that old relationship.

I found a clip of "Incubus" with Fish explaining his lyrical intention.  He doesn't specifically mention "The Web" or the "flower and gravestone", but does tell an amusing story of an embarrassing photograph LOL

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Agalloch are blowing my mind these days.

The album. ASHES AGAINST THE GRAIN.

Here are the opening lyrics...

The texture of the soul is a vermillion flood
               From a wound carved from an oath; it fills the riverbank a sanguine fog

               These arms were ment to be lost! Hacked, severed and forgotten
               The texture of timevidvs whisper that echoes across the flood
               It's hymn resonates from tree to tree, though ever sullen bough it sings
               These boughs were said to be lost! Torn, Unearthed and broken
                 Earth to flesh, flesh to wood, cast these LIMBS into water
                 Flesh to wood, wood to stone, cast the stone into water....


Ok. Wow. This is heavy doom and gloom and such a bleak outlook on the nature of our souls.

What do you guys think? Beautiful and brutal right?

I like it, "Hacked, Severed and Forgotten" could have been the title of a Peter Hammill song.  I was intrigued so I hit youtube and listened to the whole album.  First time I've heard them...vaguely remind me of My Dying Bride's, "As the Flower Withers".  Nice marriage of words and music...though without your translation I doubt I could have picked them out Wink  


Also. Have you listened to Van Der Graf Generator's GoldBluff? To you have an appreciation in General For Hammil's song writing lIke say for, ARROW. ? Anyway how. Just curious. I want to explore more of VDGG's music.

Ya, you could say I've heard Godbluff...I bought the masterpiece in 1977 Thumbs Up  Seriously, your collection of lyrical poetry isn't complete until you've experienced at least the 1st 8 VDGG (up to 1977) as well as the 1st 11 PH solo albums (up to 1982).  Hammill has also published 2 books of poetry/lyrics/stories, 1974's "Killers, Angels, Refugees" and 1982's "Mirrors, Dreams, Miracles" but good luck finding those as I believe they'be been out of print for 20+ years.
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The continuation of THE WEB eh? Wow. Very interesting and the way you explain it sounds quite accurate. Thank for this. :)
As much as I would love to claim ownership of astounding insight and lyrical interpreation, I cannot - this is Fish's explanation, not mine. Wink


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Musically, you can't even compare Marillion to Genesis. Marillion is, if I were to use the familial analogy, the half-retarded step-child of Genesis.

Absolute bullsh*t on a stick....and despite the more obvious moments in the intitial recordings and debut album from Marillion, they completely moved away from that and made their own style very quickly. It's a lazy recycled ignorant opinion from someone who probably never bothered to actually listen to more than a few bits of their music.

Originally posted by Tubes

Classic Genesis beats Neo-Prog any day.

Cool...Yes, Genesis is one of the legends for a reason, but thanks for completely dismissing an entire sub-genre of bands that have put out some amazing music too.



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Musically, you can't even compare Marillion to Genesis. Marillion is, if I were to use the familial analogy, the half-retarded step-child of Genesis. The power of the music itself, is, in my experience, the best initial indicator of quality in the lyric. Classic Genesis beats Neo-Prog any day.  

Poetry exists rather or not there is tonal accompaniment so comparing Marillion and Genesis musically is irrelevant.  
 
With the exception that you are saying that to a group of people that do not read poetry and do not know/understand that it has a history of thousands of years and is a literary concept ... and they do not know if the lyrics they like fit the mold or not, and worse ... many of them are not interested in finding out!
 
So, what's left? ... the obvious comparison! Or as John Lennon would say ... working class heroes!
 
There are MANY great poets in rock music. But, sadly, many of them are buried in a bunch of "lyrics" because no one knows/reads anything else, to get a better idea of what it is all about. And just like here, most can only quote the top ten, and they have no idea that they are mis-representing the word "poetry" grossly! All they are doing is making Stairway to Heaven and Mick Jagger sound like poetry! And they aren't!  But that's not to say that they can not write very nice lyrics that stand up well, and folks remember them!
 
One kinda has to learn to read these things away from the music ... the work stands up very well. Most pop music and even Genesis lyrics, do not stand up well to poetry, but they are very well written, and defined, to make it better ... there was an effort by Peter Gabriel to make this "better" than just a lyric!
 
FISH is good, probably more clever than good, but not a "poet" per se. Fish is more of an actor with the words, than anything which helps the story telling side of things ... he knows how to act through these! Roy Harper and Peter Hammill in his solo works would be the bonafide true poets of progressive music, in the past 40/50 years. There are others, and it's hard to not consider Patti Smith and her style, either, but sadly, the majority of folks here are not interested in a serious discussion on poetry ... they can only discuss their "favorites"! ... and of course, compare it to Genesis! ... gotta have the token mention!


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Originally posted by Dean

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I always thought the gravestone and flower were allusions to the death of his spilt seed and his own mourning (self pity) about it. The message: Don't jack off. You're killing potential people.

Fish would not make such a statement and it's a wild leap of imagination to interpret it that way.
 

Incubus continues from where The Web finishes. For clues compare "You're all but forgotten, A mote in my heart" from The Web with " I've played this scene before, I the mote in your eye" from Incubus - they are thematically linked through photographs "Faded photos exposing pain"/"The darkroom unleashes imagination in pornographic images".

 

The Web was about a person not letting go after the end if a relationship, Incubus is the same person discovering compromising photographs from that relationship and realising the embarassment they could cause to the ex-girlfriend now. "With no flower to place before this gravestone" is merely an observation that there is no one mourning the death of that old relationship.


The continuation of THE WEB eh? Wow. Very interesting and the way you explain it sounds quite accurate. Thank for this. :)
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Originally posted by progbethyname

Agalloch are blowing my mind these days.

The album. ASHES AGAINST THE GRAIN.

Here are the opening lyrics...

The texture of the soul is a vermillion flood
               From a wound carved from an oath; it fills the riverbank a sanguine fog

               These arms were ment to be lost! Hacked, severed and forgotten
               The texture of timevidvs whisper that echoes across the flood
               It's hymn resonates from tree to tree, though ever sullen bough it sings
               These boughs were said to be lost! Torn, Unearthed and broken
                 Earth to flesh, flesh to wood, cast these LIMBS into water
                 Flesh to wood, wood to stone, cast the stone into water....


Ok. Wow. This is heavy doom and gloom and such a bleak outlook on the nature of our souls.

What do you guys think? Beautiful and brutal right?

I like it, "Hacked, Severed and Forgotten" could have been the title of a Peter Hammill song.  I was intrigued so I hit youtube and listened to the whole album.  First time I've heard them...vaguely remind me of My Dying Bride's, "As the Flower Withers".  Nice marriage of words and music...though without your translation I doubt I could have picked them out Wink  


Also. Have you listened to Van Der Graf Generator's GoldBluff? To you have an appreciation in General For Hammil's song writing lIke say for, ARROW. ? Anyway how. Just curious. I want to explore more of VDGG's music.
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Originally posted by progbethyname

Agalloch are blowing my mind these days.

The album. ASHES AGAINST THE GRAIN.

Here are the opening lyrics...

The texture of the soul is a vermillion flood
               From a wound carved from an oath; it fills the riverbank a sanguine fog

               These arms were ment to be lost! Hacked, severed and forgotten
               The texture of timevidvs whisper that echoes across the flood
               It's hymn resonates from tree to tree, though ever sullen bough it sings
               These boughs were said to be lost! Torn, Unearthed and broken
                 Earth to flesh, flesh to wood, cast these LIMBS into water
                 Flesh to wood, wood to stone, cast the stone into water....


Ok. Wow. This is heavy doom and gloom and such a bleak outlook on the nature of our souls.

What do you guys think? Beautiful and brutal right?

I like it, "Hacked, Severed and Forgotten" could have been the title of a Peter Hammill song.  I was intrigued so I hit youtube and listened to the whole album.  First time I've heard them...vaguely remind me of My Dying Bride's, "As the Flower Withers".  Nice marriage of words and music...though without your translation I doubt I could have picked them out Wink  


Yeah. I guess I should have warned people about the 'vocal' work and style on ASHES TO THE GRAIN. It's the best I know and clearly the musicianship is what I really enjoy most with Agalloch. I absolutely love the interplay with the acoustic and electric guitars. So brilliant!! Also. The grim, bleak nature of the album had me totally curious.
Their are moments where HAUGHM has a softer vocal approach where is a little easier to digest and make out the lyrics!
All in all. Agalloch are a great find for me and I bought 'the mantle' as well. Should be another poetic genius effort that will arrive in my mailbox next week. Anyway. Glad you liked it!
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No offense, intended to you yourself mokito, but you do ALMOST sound like a condescending elitist douchebag; 1 Corinthians 3:18: Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

Oh, come on, dude.  Name-calling, and then quote the Bible?  Have you no grace at all?  Stop giving Christianity a bad name through your relentless bombast of this forum.  PLEASE!
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I always thought the gravestone and flower were allusions to the death of his spilt seed and his own mourning (self pity) about it. The message: Don't jack off. You're killing potential people.
Fish would not make such a statement and it's a wild leap of imagination to interpret it that way.
 
Incubus continues from where The Web finishes. For clues compare "You're all but forgotten, A mote in my heart" from The Web with " I've played this scene before, I the mote in your eye" from Incubus - they are thematically linked through photographs "Faded photos exposing pain"/"The darkroom unleashes imagination in pornographic images".
 
The Web was about a person not letting go after the end if a relationship, Incubus is the same person discovering compromising photographs from that relationship and realising the embarassment they could cause to the ex-girlfriend now. "With no flower to place before this gravestone" is merely an observation that there is no one mourning the death of that old relationship.


If you cannot be wise, pretend to be someone who is wise and then just behave like they would - Neil Gaiman
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