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    Posted: June 17 2013 at 03:03
So... has anyone ever undertaken a serious, comprehensive study of the lyrics written by the poesy of early/70s progressive rock? If one or several people have, I would be appreciative of forum members providing links to said analysis or analyses!
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Tubes, probably not really the same thing, but I recall a website years ago (no idea if it even exists anymore) that looked into every line of lyrics from the Fish-era Marillion pieces, offering interpretations, references, etc?
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Interesting. But I'm more specifically interested in the poetry of whom I see as the true giants of progressive rock: Yes (Jon Anderson, although Howe, Squire, etc. made significant contributions), Genesis (Gabriel, but also Rutherford, Banks, Hackett, etc.), Jethro Tull (Ian Anderson), Van Der Graaf Generator (Peter Hammill), and to a lesser extent King Crimson (Pete Sinfield, Richard Palmer-James), and to an even lesser extent (the highly over-rated) Gentle Giant.
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As a matter of fact, I'm only interested in an analysis of Gentle Giant lyrics because I look forward to a revelation of just "how absolutely awful," they ", really are." LOL
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Yawn....

We get it, you don't like Gentle Giant...neither shocking, confronting or clever.

And boring...really f**king boring.



If you weren't merely interested in `rocking the boat', getting some attention and causing an outraged reaction, I'm sure we'd be quite happy to hear your thoughts on that opinion.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tubes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2013 at 04:52
You are sure that the prog-community would be quite happy to hear my thoughts on what opinion, exactly? - That Gentle Giant's lyrics are poor? I've already touched on that in my review for Octopus - which was LAMBASTED. No offense to you yourself, but it seems to me that most members of this website who are familiar with Gentle Giant, are not interested at all in being shown, perhaps, that there isn't much to that band.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guldbamsen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2013 at 06:21
Let me put it this way: had you chosen to review one Gentle Giant album the way you've done, then I gather most people would be more welcoming. You then carried on writing the same review, only with different words, for more Gentle Giant albums, and if that wasn't enough, you start a thread in the forum seeking to highlight your first review.

It's not that we, or at least I, don't appreciate different opinions - neither is it because of Gentle Giant being a holy artefact not to be messed with, but infinitely more to do with the overt narcissistic and quasi provocative manner in which all of this was conveyed in.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tubes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2013 at 06:31
Listen: I never started a thread to highlight a review of mine - let alone my first review. That was started by others. Don't let the popular bias against me, get in the way of looking at facts.
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What do you call this then? 
You disguised your intentions under the banner of "Poetry of Progressive Rock", but what you really want is for someone to respond to your anti Gentle Giant fetish. 
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So with 8007 bands and artists are you still chopping our balls with Gentle Giant? Why don't you choose a different target and...not that I'm interested, but somtimes you may speak of something that you like.

 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tubes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2013 at 06:55
I shouldn't have to remind you that that is your perception of my intentions, and not my actual intent itself. I seriously do want resources for anthologically analyzing early (or, you might say, GOOD) prog rock lyrics.
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Originally posted by Tubes

As a matter of fact, I'm only interested in an analysis of Gentle Giant lyrics because I look forward to a revelation of just "how absolutely awful," they ", really are." LOL
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Try this:

In a quiet little beach
walked a man and a woman
and on them the vast shadow of a dilemma.
The man was perhaps the most audacious
more stupid and conqueror
she had forgiven him, not without pain.
The dilemma was to always
a dilemma elementary
whether their love had sense or not.

In a house overlooking the sea
lived a man and a woman
and on them the vast shadow of a dilemma.
The man is an animal quiet
if he lives in his den
the woman is not known whether misleading or divine.
The dilemma is
the balance of forces in the field
because the love and the fight are the forms of our time.

Their love died
like that of all
as something normal and recurring
Because die and let die
is an old custom
that people is used to.

He spoke almost always
of hope and fear
as the essence of his future image.
And cultivated his desire
and sought the truth
she listened in silence, she probably had it already.
He, too, curiously
as everyone was born from a womb
but unfortunately does not remember or does not know.

On a spring day
when she was not looking
chased him the look of a new girl.
And still we do not know
if he was innocent as an animal
or if he was dumbed down from vanity.
But strangely she wondered
if it were not the case once again
to love and to remain faithful to her spouse.

Their love died
like that of all
with the words that everyone knows by heart
they knew how to cry and suffer
but without blaming
time or history.

This desire not to let
is difficult to judge
if you do not know what is old or if it please.
For moments of abandonment
alternated between the hardships
with great tenacity that is typical of old things.
And this is the summary of this story
for other unimportant
you could just call resistance.

Perhaps the memory of that May
also taught him to fail in
the sense of rigor, the cult of courage.
And definitely refused
our ideas of freedom in love
they've been unable to adopt this choice
I do not know whether to say in our choice
or to this our new fate
I only know that they gave their death.

Their love died
like that of all
not an abstract thing
such as family
they chose death
for the real thing
like family.

I would like to see clearer
revisit their path
the courageous battles that were won and lost.
I would like to be able to penetrate
in the mystery of a man and a woman
in the immense labyrinth of that dilemma.
Perhaps this act of desperation
could also reveal
as the sign of something that we are going to understand.

Their love died
like that of all
as something normal and recurring
why die and let die
is an old custom
People is used to.

Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half.
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I am interested in seeing whether someone already has examined Gentle Giant lyrics as serious poetical writing. I am interested to see whether, if it has been done that is to say, they also don't see much in it, like myself. If someone has undertaken this already, I would like to see some people here at Progarchives look at it for themselves. It might just do away with this hero-worship thing that GG and their 'fans' seem be involved in. This is the reason for my interest in GG lyrics. For my own purposes, however, I am more interested BY the writing of Anderson, Gabrial, et alia.
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Originally posted by Tubes

Interesting. But I'm more specifically interested in the poetry of whom I see as the true giants of progressive rock: Yes (Jon Anderson, although Howe, Squire, etc. made significant contributions), Genesis (Gabriel, but also Rutherford, Banks, Hackett, etc.), Jethro Tull (Ian Anderson), Van Der Graaf Generator (Peter Hammill), and to a lesser extent King Crimson (Pete Sinfield, Richard Palmer-James), and to an even lesser extent (the highly over-rated) Gentle Giant.

WHADAYA MEAN GG OVERRATED? CELINE DION IS OVERRATED OK!
                
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tubes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2013 at 07:19
Why on earth should that interest me, if I am, as I have stated clearly, MOST INTERESTED in early prog rock poetry?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tubes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2013 at 07:21
The view that both Gentle Giant and Celine Dion are over-rated is not characterized by conflicting opinions. What is your point?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Vibrationbaby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2013 at 07:23
Hey, it's not poetry. It's a bunch of bloody stoned rock stars man writing sh*t, Not poet laureates at a tea party. Sometimes it's cool sh*t but I wouldn't call it poetry.
                
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tubes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2013 at 07:29
Firstly, that's not an accurate way of looking at, to give an example, the lyrics written by Ian Anderson. He is strictly 'anti-drug'. Secondly, assuming 'poet laureates' are automatically gifted in the linguistic arts just because they've been granted such titles, is irresponsible thinking.
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