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Knobby 
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Joined: May 31 2013 Location: Ontario Status: Offline Points: 490 |
 Posted: June 19 2013 at 07:57 |
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Favorite proto prog lp?.
Sorry - cant even come out with a fav 10 list for you.
Just too many good ones.
Besides I try not to play this rather meaningless favorites or "best of" (music forums) game.
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Dean
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 08:04 |
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tl;dr
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Knobby
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 08:47 |
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"tldr"
 "Thou lousy dick-rider" ???
Are you calling Wallace a dick-rider?
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Dean
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 08:52 |
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You shouldn't go around trying on hats at random unless you want one of them to fit.
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Knobby
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 08:56 |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 09:16 |
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Drop the "best" part of the equation then. List a few albums you think of as being proto-prog, and then perhaps we'll better understand where you're coming from. And don't think everybody in here mistake all the made up stickers for truth. Most of us use them as reference points, just as we use words like shoe, potato and lollipop.
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams |
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Knobby
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Joined: May 31 2013 Location: Ontario Status: Offline Points: 490 |
Posted: June 19 2013 at 09:40 |
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Fair enough.
For you, Guldbamsen, I have gone to the bother of trying to find that old list someone from PE laid down.
Too bad forum noobs and people like Dean are not willing to bother to look into this.
Head in the sand,loikes.
2066 & Then - Reflections!
A-Austr Musics from Holy Ground Abacus - s/t Ache - De Homine Urbano Ache - Green Man Affinity - s/t Aquila - s/t Arc - At this Arcadium - Breathe Awhile Arzachel - s/t Battered Ornaments - A Meal You Can Shake Hands With In The Dark Battered Ornaments - Mantlepiece Atomic Rooster - Death Walks Behind You Beggars Opera - Act One Beggars Opera - Pathfinder Beggars Opera - Waters of Change Black Widow - Sacrifice Bodkin - s/t Bram Stoker - Heavy Rock Spectacular Burnin' Red Ivanhoe - M144 Burnin' Red Ivanhoe - WWW Catapilla - Changes Catapilla - s/t Cirkus - One Colosseum - Daughter of Time Colosseum - Valentyne Suite Comus - First Utteranace Cressida - Asylum Cressida - s/t Culpepers Orchard - s/t Czar - s/t Dear Mr. Time -Grandfather Diabolus - s/t Earth & Fire-same East of Eden - Mercator Projected East of Eden - s/t Egg - The Polite Force Egg - s/t Fairfield Parlour - From Home to Home Family - Family Entertainment Fantasy - Beyond the Beyond Fantasy - Paint a Picture Fields - s/t Frumpy - Frumpy Fuchsia - s/t Fusion Orchestra - Skeleton in Armour Fuzzy Duck - s/t Galliard - New Dawn Galliard - Strange Pleasure Gnidrolog - In Spite of Harry's Toenail Gnidrolog - Lady Lake Gracious - This is... Gracious!! Gracious - s/t Gravy Train - Ballad of a Peaceful Man Gravy Train - Second Birth Greenslade - s/t Greenwood, Nicholas - Cold Cuts High Tide - Sea Shanties High Tide - s/t Indian Summer - s/t Jan Dukes de Grey - Mice & Rats in the Loft Jody Grind - Far Canal Jonesy - Growing Julian Jay Savarin - Waiters on the Dance Julian's Treatment - A Time Before This Kestrel - s/t Khan - Space Shanty Kingdom Come - Galactic Zoo Dossier Kingdom Come - Journey Krokodil - An Invisible World... Locomotive - We Are Everything You See Love Sculpture - Forms & Feelings Manfred Mann's Chapter Three Vol. 1 & 2 Marsupilami - Arena Marsupilami - s/t Mellow Candle - Swaddling Songs Missing Link - Nevergreen! Odin - s/t Orange Peel - s/t Out of Focus - Wake Up Out of Focus - s/t Pete Brown & Piblokto - Thousands on a Raft Pete Brown & Piblokto - Things May Come and Things May Go but the Art School Dance Goes on Forever Parlour Band - Is a Friend? Procol Harum - Shine on Brightly Quatermass - s/t Quicksand - Home is Where I belong Rare Bird - As Your Mind Flies By Rare Bird - s/t Raw Material - Time is... Room - Pre-Flight Samurai - s/t Sandrose - s/t Second Hand - Death May Be Your Santa Claus Skin Alley - s/t Spring - s/t Still Life - s/t Subject Esq - s/t T2 - It'll All Work Out in Boomland The Greatest Show on Earth - Horizons Titus Groan - s/t Tonton Macoute - s/t Touch - s/t Tractor - s/t Traffic - John Barleycorn Must Die Warm Dust - And It Came To Pass Web - I Spider Wind - Seasons That is a pretty reasonable list. As you see, mostly UK. (Not sure why he included "John Barleycorn " there and I would have kept out Wind -Seasons lp (as I recall thats just too symphonic, but I may be confusing with their other lp.)
One curiosity I would include is the Jess & James certain lp -I think it was "Move On". Certainly protoprog sound, yet they came out of a SOUL background!
Proof that it doesnt HAVE to be psych-sourced.
So, what you say, Guld? You familiar with any of these?
If not ,youtube them and discover the distinct stylistic similarities.
THAT is what protoprog is about.
Nothing else.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 11:52 |
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You know what - I was expecting something completely different  All the albums with stars after em are the ones I own myself, and I think you have a point(not about the genre definitions here on PA though  ). These albums all bear a similar fingerprint. That early prog rock feel with loads of organs, flutes and guitars. I didn't know that it was called something though, but then again I imagine a lot of (old) folks getting all dizzy trying to get a handle on the subs we have here.If I understand the - let's just say style eh - correctly, then I think you could add a couple more German bands. Ikarus fx: Ardo Dombec: and Nine Days o' Wonder: Hot damn!!! All three albums in their entireties on ze tube  |
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Dean
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 12:52 |
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Sand in the ears is preferable to what some people accumulate when their heads are firmly rammed into darker places...
One problem here is lack of understanding of "how things are" - we don't have multi-tagging, ergo we cannot tag all the bands that were ever protoprog as being Proto Prog - so most of that list is already included in the PA under a different tag (for whatever reason - frankly pigeonholing music is a dumb lose-lose game, anyone who gets their panties in a bunch over it should get out more) ... Most if the albums in your list can be found here - I guess the one notable exception is Pete Brown in his various forms (which is part of the problem with him in the first place - Battered Ornaments, Piblokto! Flying Tigers, and solo are all interlinked and there are good reasons for listing them separately and equally good reasons to list them altogether - if we ever decide to list them at all, our system is not well suited to dealing with exceptions - *shrug* - it's not the end of the world) - perhaps he should be in Proto Prog, perhaps not - personally I think should be listed here as a Progressive Rock artists, not shuffled off into the Proto or Related corner.
If the PA was a history book or an encyclopedia of Prog then these things would be resolved differently perhaps, but we're neither of those things, we're an open access review site, if you want to review Fairfield Parlour's "From Home to Home" (why sneer at Kaleidoscope if Fairfield Parlour is acceptable?) or Second Hand's "Death May Be Your Santa Claus" (or Chillum .. or even either of the two Seventh Wave albums) or read a review any of them, then they are here, so what's the problem?
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Knobby
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 13:53 |
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Yes, you can add lotta German bands.
Kravetz and Mammut come to mind. From Check. I'd definitely add ...damn, I forget them now!
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Knobby
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 14:02 |
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Dean: all problems are instantly resolved if I am allowed to post piccies of Babs about to burst out of her bikini top here:
 Is it alright?
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Knobby
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 14:06 |
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Knobby
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 14:09 |
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Dean
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 14:25 |
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 (imagine this emoticon slowed down by a factor of 5)
What, this Kravetz?: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4795 added in 2004
What, this Mammut?: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3214 added in 2004
 any more? Or are you going to search for them in our database yourself before suggesting them? |
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thellama73
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 14:42 |
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Despite its flaws, The Crazy World of Arthur Brown has a magic that few records can match.
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Knobby
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 15:39 |
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Progarchives database is the be-all and end-all?
When did this database start, and I will tell you how many decades (one, two or three) before that when I knew of Kravitz & Mammut. (Truth to tell, its only in the last half decade that I learned of the other Kravitz "same" lp with different band name.)
And what is the point of all this anyways? - besides the usual glorifying of Progarchives.
Be cool. Its becoming telling.
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 16:20 |
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Sigh.....the point of my thread was about people listing their personal favorite proto prog lp...what ever that meant to them. It was not about best or how various people define proto prog, which is subjective anyway, or another thread to argue categories and classifications.
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Dean
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 16:23 |
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It wasn't so hard. I'd never heard of Kravetz or Mammut prior to your post, if they were bands that we should consider adding then we should look into them. My first move in any suggestion made to us (normally in the Suggest New Bands and Artists section of the forum) regardless of who suggests it is to double check they're not already listed - that's simple expediency as we do get a number of suggestions for artists we've already added. It was unlucky/unfortunate for you that both artists were already here. If you want to suggest more artists we can add then go ahead, but I would prefer you did that double-check first. If that's me being small then so be it, if it was just a low jibe then it's water off a duck's back.
Progarchives is not the be-all or the end-all, it is one of many such sites dedicted to Progressive Rock, which in turn is not the be-all and end-all of music genres. Nor are we the only review site or the only discography site or the only one with a forum. No one here knows everything there is to know about everything, but most people here know something about something - by pooling that knowledge we add to the database a piece at a time, that's how collaborative websites work. I couldn't give a rat's when you first heard of any particular artist, this isn't a competition, if you want to score points with your knowledge then go on Mastermind, but if you want share your knowledge and help us to add more German artists then suggest artists we've not found already.
It's cool like a cucumber - green on the outside but gives you gas if you eat a whole one.
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Dean
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 16:49 |
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My first post here gave my favourite Proto album: Kaleidoscope's A Tangerine Dream - this was one of the first albums I ever bought all those years ago (The Move's debut was the other) and it is still one of my favourite albums. The cover is a little dog-eared and worse for wear but albums are made to be played, not just to look at. Superficially it's a relatively simple psychedelic pop album, and a bit twee in parts, (then in 1967 that was to be expected), but there's more to it than that in terms of composition and song structure that pushed them ahead of their psyche-pop contemporaries.
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Knobby
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 17:23 |
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"multi-tagging", "pidgeonholing","categories and classifications."
You two gentlemen have not had the decency to READ my words. I am not asking for a protoprog cubby AT ALL on this forum, like you deem it I am.
I repeat: protoprog is just a dealer term to link certain bands to a distinguishable sound. It is NOT A GENRE which need coverage or pidgeonholing here.
Sheesh! How many more times I gotta pound this in your heads. You just do not want to listen. You want to argue.
I call raging bigotry against the Masterman!
You should do the right thing and give a Masterman's words the regard they necessitate.
Have an open mind.
Not "tl;dr".
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And its not "psychE-pop", it is "popsike"!!
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