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    Posted: July 30 2013 at 10:45
Originally posted by ShW1

It's a great plesure to discover and listen to an album at the very same year it came out. However, for me, it rarely happen. As others, I returned to prog along with the 'information explosion' caused by the internet. So there are still many gaps to close, with records from last 20 years or so.


Yeah. Good point cause I tend to gravitate towards music that was a little out of my time.
Love a lot of 80's bands, so I dont have it happen for me very often as well.
And yes! Internet helps. ;)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ShW1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2013 at 10:28
It's a great plesure to discover and listen to an album at the very same year it came out. However, for me, it rarely happen. As others, I returned to prog along with the 'information explosion' caused by the internet. So there are still many gaps to close, with records from last 20 years or so.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Polymorphia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2013 at 14:39
I check out reviews, listen to samples, etc. and then buy the album, regardless of whether it was made in 1972 or 3097. I still have yet to find the latter, but I assure you I'm looking.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2013 at 14:20
Originally posted by progbethyname

Well what makes it special, discovering a great prog album in the same year it was constructed is that, most likely the band will be on tour to promote and play the album live! That's the best.
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Nice.
 
In my generation (that one is the same one, btw!), ot would only add credence to the time and place and arts of the time and place.
 
And this is something that you can see when you step away from it ... Woodstock doesn't makes sense today ... it wouldn't sell 1/10th the number of tickets today, and the interest would be marginal ... but the scene at the time, and the value associated with many of those bands, were too important. Thus you can see why/how, some of the things that we look at as "progressive", also seem more important than they might have been ... specially in a musical way ... when broken down and discussed, it comes off as ... same as anything else today or yesterday!
 
It could be me, but today's bands, when I look at Lolapablabla and other events, are too damn trivial and unimportant to make more sense of the time and place! But, yeah, I admit that it could be my seeing of it when you look at 50 years, instead of 5 or 10! But in "history" ... time has a way to disappear ... and let's step back 100 years and take a look, and now you know that your listening is SLANTED ... and heavily so, and that takes away its soul, strength, and sometimes, its beauty!


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dayvenkirq Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2013 at 14:00
I don't care whether or not I keep up with the new releases, and frankly, I just don't care for them. Keeping up is not important to me. So much good music out there from different times. I'd try to look for some truly original, fresh progressive stuff of today, and I would probably fail.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote RockHound Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2013 at 10:55
I always buy a lot of new and old releases, mainly prog, fusion, hard bop, and classical. As I get older, I find myself buying more and more recordings that were released before I was born (1960).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote progbethyname Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2013 at 10:33
Originally posted by New2prog

I think it's more expensive to tour these days for bands than in the past?

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It's good that they can make their own records at home and not have to have big backing to make a great record.
A band today doesn't really need to press anything.  If they just upload it, their fans can download it for a fee that mostly goes to the band if they have their own website.


First and foremost...welcome to PA!


Secondly. It's incredibly expensive to tour and contract, record company negotiations are just the pits!! Also, your right about a band Using the Internet to promote their albums cheaply and somewhat successfully.
Their are a lot of great tools in the age of computers to do so. An example is SoundCloud.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote stegor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2013 at 08:13
I always seem to enjoy music more when it's from the past. It has an added mystique, being not-of-this-time. I'm also more easily disappointed if I rush out to buy something new, like I did with The Incident.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote New2prog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2013 at 04:45
I think it's more expensive to tour these days for bands than in the past?

Also, I think the younger kids in general are going to techno shows more than live music, so bands
don't do as well as they used to.

It's good that they can make their own records at home and not have to have big backing to make a great record.
A band today doesn't really need to press anything.  If they just upload it, their fans can download it for a fee that mostly goes to the band if they have their own website.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote HemispheresOfXanadu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2013 at 13:13
Honestly I think the only prog album I've listened to on its release was Clockwork Angels. At the moment I'm awaiting new stuff from three or so bands, so by the end of this year I'll hopefully have more albums I bought the year they were released.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Nick Dilley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2013 at 16:41
But I guess it depends on the band. If they're one of my favorites, I'll get it right away. Like the day it comes out. For bands I like, anywhere in between that and like a year or so after it's released seems normal for me. But for bands that aren't that big, I tend to discover them later (which is common, I think).
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I try to get/hear stuff when it's new, but I guess I'm in the same boat as you, except that it's more like 1-1.5 years later, not 8-9.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote progbethyname Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2013 at 14:17
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby

Simple : Build a time machine. If there's a band you know that"s going to appear in say, 1969 like King Crimson, then set the controls for Early 1969 so you can experience all the hype leading up to it and just before it comes out you can wait in line to buy an original pressing abd then you can get to Hyde Park early so you can get a good vantage point to see them. But you would have to make sure not to talk to anybody because you might put a tear in the fabric of time. But I guess by purchasing the album you would have changed history. 


Well if that ship that is your avatar can take you 1969 I want in!!!!! Lol
Set the controls to the heart of......awesome!!

Also. I think I would have appreciated laser Floyd shows in the late 70's.
Just saying. :)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote geekfreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2013 at 07:15
Oh I did no do hear a lot of prog music on its released date.
Genesis,Yes, ELP,Manning,Fish,Marillion,Rush, Tangent, PO90D,Rick Wakeman,Neal Morse, Dream Theater and Transatlatic.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote progbethyname Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2013 at 10:32
Well what makes it special, discovering a great prog album in the same year it was constructed is that, most likely the band will be on tour to promote and play the album live! That's the best. For instance, if I'd not discovered dream Theater would I be enjoying the anticipation of their new album coming out sept/24th? No. Of course not. Also, they will be on tour for the album as well.

All in all. Great prog is great prog and it really doesn't matter when you discover it just as long you have discovered it for yourself. The only thing, as i said earlier, you miss the hype and live concerts of the band which I feel can be a loss.
Also, one last thing, we all have to accept that some things were just out of our time range!
I mean, don't you think I'd have loved to see rush perform their 80's album classics
Permenant waves, moving pictures, signals and grace under pressure LIVE!
Sadly I'm only 32. Far too young. Marillion is another one (fish years.) boy...I would have enjoyed that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote infocat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2013 at 22:04
Yes.

Total purchases so far this year: 74
Of these,
2013  - 28
2012  - 15
2011  -  3
2010  -  1
2000s - 12
1990s -  3
1980s -  6
1970s -  6

Here's my "this year" collection, with comments:

io - Our Disintegrating Museum
My second from them.

Riverside - Shrine of New Generation Slaves
Completing my collection.

Voivod - Target Earth
Haven't gotten one of theirs since 1993.

Coheed and Cambria - The Afterman: Descension
Continuing my collection.

Hanging Garden - At Every Door
My first from them (not prog); bought on a whim based on description of being a death/doom version of The Cure.  Don't really see it, but...

Cult Of Luna - Vertikal
My first from them.

Elephants of Scotland - Home Away From Home
Their debut album.

Herd of Instinct - Conjure
My first from them.

Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing and other stories
Later completed my collection with purchase of Insurgentes.

Oblivion Sun - The High Places
Second; also have their debut.

Guapo - History of the Visitation
My first from them.

This Town Needs Guns - 13.0.0.0.0
My first from them.  (And perhaps my last...)

Spock's Beard - Brief Nocturnes and Dreamless Sleep
My first from them since 1999.

Klaus Schulze - Shadowlands
My second of his.

Jolly - The Audio Guide To Happiness (Disc Two Of Two)
Also have Part One.

How To Destroy Angels - Welcome Oblivion
Their first full-length.  (Features Trent Reznor.)

Disperse - Living Mirrors
My first from them.

Niacin - Krush
My second from them.

Djam Karet - The Trip
My collection is almost complete.

Soma White - Soma White
Their debut.

Vultress - Distance
Their debut full-length.

Scale The Summit - The Migration
My second from them.

Phlox - YWNTS
Have their debut full-length as download only; they also included their EP for free.

Nektar - Time Machine
Also have their "Best of".

Leprous - Coal
My first from them.  (Will be getting the rest!!)

Sigur Ros - Kveikur
Completing my collection.

Intronaut - Habitual Levitations (Instilling Words With Tones)
My first from them.

Sanguine Hum - The Weight Of The World
My first from them.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2013 at 16:56
Originally posted by paganinio

Do you generally acquire and listen to a, say, 2008 prog rock album, in the year 2008?

I really fail to do this. I'm always discovering great prog albums about 8 or 9 years after their release....
 
Now, with the incredible amount of media and internet and what not ... thre is no reason to "miss" anything ... you might get a better listen for it later ... but generally, if you liked it, our appreciation for it will hold.
 
It did all of us for 35 years ... why not now for you?
 
The idea that something sounds diferent, and ok now, but not ok for your ears at a diferent time, is a bit silly from my perspective. There isn't a single piece of music from then, that I have not heard, or appreciated, that I failed to enjoy or not give it a fair listen ... ohh excuse me ... there is one ... Kansas! Got tired of that radio play! I mean TIRED!
 
In general, ti is like saying that yesterday, I could not appreciate Mozart, but tomorrow I will ... in general, you tend to hold onto the tastes your whole life, because that "feeling" you had will ALWAS be true! It is a part of you! AND it has nothing to do with anything else.
 
Fo many years, in the LP world, many of these albums were not possible to get. In the import days, we got the new CAN album almost a year later ... I got Tago Mago 2 full years after it was released and way after "Ege Bamyasi" and many other albums by other bands due to the availability of these things ... and today... this is negligeable
 
In general, I recommend a good listen BEFORE everyone else does, so you can have your own opinion. While I would support PA, I would NEVER buy something strictly by someone's idea or choice ... THEY RE NOT ME, AND I'M NOT THEM ... so you give up your ability and right to choose? AND learn for yourself?
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2013 at 07:39
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Originally posted by dr wu23

A good place  for those just statring to listen to both old and new are the lists on the home pages of the 100 greatest prog lp's.
I tend to use the lists here, Gnosis & RYM.
 
Yes..I was referring to PA's lists here ...should have made that clearer.
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For me if I were new to prog I'd be listening to and buying some of the early classics first to get a solid background for the styles....not to mention that most of the greatest ones made were from the 70's.
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Simple : Build a time machine. If there's a band you know that"s going to appear in say, 1969 like King Crimson, then set the controls for Early 1969 so you can experience all the hype leading up to it and just before it comes out you can wait in line to buy an original pressing abd then you can get to Hyde Park early so you can get a good vantage point to see them. But you would have to make sure not to talk to anybody because you might put a tear in the fabric of time. But I guess by purchasing the album you would have changed history. 
                
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ivbgutie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2013 at 05:30
well, the album is online on itunes, amazon, rhapsody if you wish to have it, i would be pleased to give it to you the cd in your hands if one day our music take us to your country.
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