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progbethyname
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Posted: June 27 2013 at 23:51 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
progbethyname wrote:
The mellotron is a timeless sound. |
Agreed. Have you ever checked out Planet Mellotron? It's an active site devoted to the mighty tron. My favourite feature is an A-Z list of albums since the 1950's featuring the tron (and it's father the Chamberlin and step-child the Birotron). What makes this list cool is each album is rated 1 to 5 according to the amount of tron content - and most albums include a written review focusing on tron specifics as well. | Ah yes!! I've heard of this but I admit I've been away for This site for a while. Thanks for the reminder of this clever site to praise our dear tron. The TRON is the face of prog. It really is. For example. What's an IQ album without any TRON??? Oh that would hurt my feelings. Lol
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progbethyname
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Posted: June 27 2013 at 23:48 |
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It does, indeed it does.
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HackettFan
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Posted: June 27 2013 at 19:12 |
stegor wrote:
^ I was just listening to Last Autumn's Dream. I love it, but yes, it sounds very dated. But the next album, Floating World, a mere year or two later, is timeless. What happened? I think Jade Warrior is an excellent case study for the dated concept. It's not just the recording or the music of Last Autumn's Dream that's dated, it's the whole package. The album cover, the photos, the song titles, the instrumentation, the recording, the production, the engineering. Then they switched labels from Vertigo to Island and wham! Floating World and the next few albums are timeless. When I listen to some of those tracks I can't believe they were recorded in the '70's. And they weren't remixed by Steven Wilson. | I'm in complete agreement. Last Autumn's Dream sounds very dated even to someone like me and you who love it. Havard's sound like old style Beat poetry at times too, though, again I love it. And then there's Floating World, which sounds either ahead of it's time or just plain timeless as you say.
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Negoba
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Posted: June 27 2013 at 12:40 |
I would agree with the effect of production. DSOTM is an album that has a timeless quality and frankly so does Back in Black. In common is production that is perfect for the music and both defined a sound rather than following trends. Solsbury Hill works like that for me though some of Gabriel's material is extremely of its time.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: June 27 2013 at 12:00 |
progbethyname wrote:
The mellotron is a timeless sound.
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Agreed. Have you ever checked out Planet Mellotron?
It's an active site devoted to the mighty tron. My favourite feature is an A-Z list of albums since the 1950's featuring the tron (and it's father the Chamberlin and step-child the Birotron). What makes this list cool is each album is rated 1 to 5 according to the amount of tron content - and most albums include a written review focusing on tron specifics as well.
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Marty McFly
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Posted: June 27 2013 at 11:17 |
It does, indeed it does.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: June 27 2013 at 07:29 |
Strong musical ideas are resilient enough to withstand being couched in the extant styles of the time they were conceived in. That's why it's only those 'great' songs that contemporary artists attempt to cover from the past. If 'Yesterday' by the Beatles were rendered by a flat footed Bolivian nostril flute marching band, it might sound texturally awful, but you would still walk away whistling the melody.
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Posted: June 27 2013 at 01:30 |
Classics do not date from any era
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progbethyname
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Posted: June 27 2013 at 00:58 |
The mellotron is a timeless sound.
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Posted: June 26 2013 at 23:39 |
^ I was just listening to Last Autumn's Dream. I love it, but yes, it sounds very dated. But the next album, Floating World, a mere year or two later, is timeless. What happened? I think Jade Warrior is an excellent case study for the dated concept. It's not just the recording or the music of Last Autumn's Dream that's dated, it's the whole package. The album cover, the photos, the song titles, the instrumentation, the recording, the production, the engineering. Then they switched labels from Vertigo to Island and wham! Floating World and the next few albums are timeless. When I listen to some of those tracks I can't believe they were recorded in the '70's. And they weren't remixed by Steven Wilson.
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Posted: June 26 2013 at 21:24 |
I think ITCOCK sounds very dated. Soft machine I and a few others after sound very dated. Jade Warrior released and Last Autumns Dream sound very dated. I think Voyage of the Acolyte sounds very dated. I like/love these albums, though, so I don't think stuff sounding dated is just reducible to what one doesn't like. I kind of agree with Gerinsky on balance that Prog tends not to sound dated.
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 24 2013 at 23:58 |
I think some prog has aged well.....some classic rock... and some jazz fusion has also aged well.....it's really subjective as someone said above.
My wife has never called any of the prog I listen to elevator music...she thinks it's too weird.
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twosteves
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Posted: June 24 2013 at 22:38 |
I tend to like the groups that sound timeless and hold up to the test of time--there are lot's of fav groups on this site that don't meet that threshold for me---but I'd still take a listen now and then. One is ELP.
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JaySpiral
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Posted: June 24 2013 at 21:38 |
No I think it's absolutely subjective.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: June 24 2013 at 20:17 |
I think certain albums have a timeless appeal - and that is true for many genres. You can listen to The Band's first two albums and not rightly ascertain their vintage if you were unaware of the release dates. Perhaps because the great albums are so oft imitated. You listen to The Pogues' Rum Sodomy and the Lash or If I Should Fall From Grace With God and they don't sound dated because Flogging Molly and Dropkick Murphys are, for the most part, recycling old Pogues bits.
King Crimson and certain Tull albums have that same appeal.
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 24 2013 at 20:15 |
Of course Prog is dated, in the worst way, especially the classic
stuff. And though great, well-recorded albums are indeed
timeless [most of Floyd, Yes, Genesis], I've had perfect strangers
upon hearing golden age ELP or Genesis or
even Steeleye Span look at me with a blend of horror and wonder.
Truly, as if they didn't know real people actually listened to this
stuff. "Yeah it can be a little kitsch sometimes" I say as I I
try to cautiously deflect the critique without getting too defensive.
"A little?" comes the response.
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can't win. You can't persuade, convince, win-over, but I see
their perspective. I remember a Collab here once saying his
wife called the prog he was listening to "Elevator music".
Wow, that hurts.
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Dellinger
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Posted: June 24 2013 at 19:40 |
I guess I can agree with some bands, and on certain albums. However, I remember when I first heard Wakeman, with the Arthur album, it sounded so dated and odd... of course now after years of listening to it and loving it, I just can't hear what sounded so weird about it at first. More recently, when I just got into Camel, they did sound very old... obviously 70's... needless to say I loved them. Right now I don't seem to hear anything particularly dated on most of the 70's or 60's bands that I listen to regularly, because I'm very used to them, but for someone who isn't into prog they may just as well find them rather dated indeed.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: June 24 2013 at 13:03 |
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Everythying sounds as it should to me. |
Same here.
I
don't get what's meant by "dated." Sure, you could say that some music
doesn't hold up well over time because it was just a fad of a
particular era and didn't have good quality. You could say that you had
to be around back then to really understand the music in it's
cultural/historical context (which is, in a sense, true for all music).
But if something is good, then it doesn't matter when it was recorded.
Moog synthesizers might have been an instrumentation quirk particular
to the 70's, but that doesn't matter; what matters is if the Moog sounds
good in the context of the song. The only reason that prog has "aged
well" is that progressive rock bands, in general, tend to produce
quality music. |
Yes, same for me. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I think the same goes for the question if something sounds dated or not. Prog haters might think that moogs and mellotrons in '70's prog are hopelessly old, but in my ears early Genesis, Yes etc. still sound up to date.
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I-Juca Pirama
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Posted: June 24 2013 at 12:56 |
As was said by others, I guess we only connect the sound to the era because we know that the "pattern" of music was a carachteristic of that decade. For example, when I was younger and knew much less about pop music through the ages, I could think some 80s ballad was made on the year before (in the 2000!).
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Neelus
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Posted: June 24 2013 at 12:49 |
I guess if it is not as popular, it is not as likely to fall out of fashion.
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