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Poll Question: Besides Billy Cobham, who would be your next fave jazz-rock drummer?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
2 [3.85%]
3 [5.77%]
2 [3.85%]
3 [5.77%]
2 [3.85%]
0 [0.00%]
1 [1.92%]
6 [11.54%]
6 [11.54%]
1 [1.92%]
0 [0.00%]
26 [50.00%]
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2013 at 19:42
Peter Erskine, Jack DeJohnette
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2013 at 20:09
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2013 at 04:54
Good idea but too many important names missing for the poll to really work. Just browsed some of my old faves and noticed how often Jack DeJohnette crops up with atmospheric playing that doesn't rely on histrionics. Also really taken with Collin's on those Brand X albums, and let's not forget the wonderful Morris Pert (He's not on the list either!). Doubtless proggers will miss Bruford, excellent stuff in prog and with Earthworks, and Manu Katche also. 'Other' seems a shoe in. Now reminded that I love the ideas and playing of Goodsall/Jones and Lumley in Brand X too - off to pull out their back catalogue for a concentrated nightly Brand X binge I think! Wonder if their humour and upbeat playing meant that brow furrowing jazzers don't rate them as they would an ECM artist for instance? I'm waffling now. De Johnette by a short head.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2013 at 08:32
Other-Joe Koinzer from Germany's Brainstorm. One of the most criminally under-rated jazz rock drummers on the planet, with a style that is both complex and inventive.
Other favorites of mine (some listed) are Jon Hiseman, John Marshall, Peter Giger, Curt Cress, and Enrico Grosso from Dedalus
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2013 at 14:21
Before his shoulder surgery Lenny White was the only other (jazz rock) drummer approaching Billy Cobham in technical skill imo.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2013 at 07:23
Bruford, Cobham, Vander, Collins ...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2014 at 00:21
Nice to resurrect this thread as my first post :-)

My vote goes to Pierre Moerlen - so talented

other notables being
Pip Pyle and Christian Vander

modern guys who impress me are
Gavin Harrison, Virgil Donati, Mangine and Portnoy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2014 at 01:12
Ultimately all the best prog drummers could play 'jazz rock' pretty well when they got the chance. I know Works Vols One and Two get a lot of criticism but the interesting thing about both albums was the amount of jazz stuff. Even Fanfare For The Common Man has a very strong jazz rock feel. Palmer makes its 'swing'.
This is also a very nice track ( incidentally featuring Joe Walsh)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2014 at 01:57



Voted *other* - David Moss



David Moss in R.M. Točak Band:





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2014 at 04:33
Would have voted for Tony Williams if I took into consideration his 60's avantgarde/post bop years. The best jazz drummer ever to walk the earth in that regard. But in the fusion style I have other favorites and by looking at the list of amazing albums both music and percussionwise with Alphonse Mouzon in the lineup, there's no contest among the ones in the poll. As with Cobham I prefer him when he is not up front all the time obviously showing off his chops. The two 1971 albums are impressionistic "lyrical fusion" all about mood, atmosphere and nothing about being the fastest rocking octopus behind the kit ever. 

Four-five of the ten first titles are among my top 20-25 fusion albums:   

Weather Report - Weather Report (1971) 
Wayne Shorter - Odyssey of Iska (1971)
Norman Conners - Dance of Magic (1973)
John Klemmer - Magic and Movement (1974)
Jeremy Steig - Temple of Birth (1975)
With Joachim Kühn - Hip Elegy (1975)

...and this quartet of acustic but still intense fusion masterworks with McCoy Tyner:

Sahara (1972)
Song for My Lady (1972)
Song of the New World (1973)
Enlightenment (1973)


As well as the patchier and at times show offy ones, but still worth having:

...as leader (with Tommy Bolin)
Mind Transplant (1975)

With Larry Coryell:
Introducing The Eleventh House (1973)
Level One (1974)
Planet End (1975)

& then there's the progger's fave but not mine:
Patrick Moraz - The Story of I (1976)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2014 at 06:14
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2014 at 06:39
Originally posted by Drumstruck Drumstruck wrote:

Nice to resurrect this thread as my first post :-)

My vote goes to Pierre Moerlen - so talented

other notables being
Pip Pyle and Christian Vander

modern guys who impress me are
Gavin Harrison, Virgil Donati, Mangine and Portnoy
Portnoy and Harrison are jazz-rock drummers?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2014 at 08:09
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Would have voted for Tony Williams if I took into consideration his 60's avantgarde/post bop years. The best jazz drummer ever to walk the earth in that regard. But in the fusion style I have other favorites and by looking at the list of amazing albums both music and percussionwise with Alphonse Mouzon in the lineup, there's no contest among the ones in the poll. As with Cobham I prefer him when he is not up front all the time obviously showing off his chops. The two 1971 albums are impressionistic "lyrical fusion" all about mood, atmosphere and nothing about being the fastest rocking octopus behind the kit ever. 

Four-five of the ten first titles are among my top 20-25 fusion albums:   

Weather Report - Weather Report (1971) 
Wayne Shorter - Odyssey of Iska (1971)
Norman Conners - Dance of Magic (1973)
John Klemmer - Magic and Movement (1974)
Jeremy Steig - Temple of Birth (1975)
With Joachim Kühn - Hip Elegy (1975)

...and this quartet of acustic but still intense fusion masterworks with McCoy Tyner:

Sahara (1972)
Song for My Lady (1972)
Song of the New World (1973)
Enlightenment (1973)


As well as the patchier and at times show offy ones, but still worth having:

...as leader (with Tommy Bolin)
Mind Transplant (1975)

With Larry Coryell:
Introducing The Eleventh House (1973)
Level One (1974)
Planet End (1975)

& then there's the progger's fave but not mine:
Patrick Moraz - The Story of I (1976)





I only have Weather Report from this list.

These are the posts I treasure when I come here.  No better way of discovering new music.

Thank you Saperlipopette!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2014 at 09:53
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

 

I only have Weather Report from this list.

These are the posts I treasure when I come here.  No better way of discovering new music.

Thank you Saperlipopette!
You're welcome! I'm glad to be useful! 

Outside Weather Report's wonderful debut these would be the absolute must-haves according to my tastes:

Dance of Magic
Odyssey of Iska
Temple of Birth
Sahara

...+ the heavy, hard driving jazzrock of Mind Transplant is essential listening for fans of Cobham's Spectrum
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2014 at 12:22
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Stuart Copeland. Although he is not in a full on, jazz oriented band, but his style of drumming is brought forth from jazz traditions, especially his grip use on the sticks! Anyway, Mr. Copeland's rhythmic style of drumming is some of the very best groove rock/jazz offerings I've ever heard, especially his work with the police.


Stew's awesome. He can play a very simple beat and make it sound 80x more interesting than (random example, not a slight) a complex part by Portnoy or Peart (and I like those guys, don't get me wrong).

Stew simply has "the touch." He was born to drum.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2014 at 20:23
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Drumstruck Drumstruck wrote:

Nice to resurrect this thread as my first post :-)

My vote goes to Pierre Moerlen - so talented

other notables being
Pip Pyle and Christian Vander

modern guys who impress me are
Gavin Harrison, Virgil Donati, Mangine and Portnoy
Portnoy and Harrison are jazz-rock drummers?

I'd say so - the term Prog is "post-post-modernist" looking back on the time - in the 70s it was generally called fusion or jazz-rock or even avant-garde.... so I'm being a bit loose with the terminology.  All these guys are so good they could play whatever you threw at them so labels are just labels :-).

Whilst I'm at it I'll add Thomas Pridgen to the list of modern guys that impress me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2014 at 21:06
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2014 at 03:39
Originally posted by Drumstruck Drumstruck wrote:

 the term Prog is "post-post-modernist" looking back on the time - in the 70s it was generally called fusion or jazz-rock or even avant-garde....

Am I reading this right? In the 70s prog was generally called fusion or jazz-rock? Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2014 at 05:06
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Drumstruck Drumstruck wrote:

 the term Prog is "post-post-modernist" looking back on the time - in the 70s it was generally called fusion or jazz-rock or even avant-garde....

Am I reading this right? In the 70s prog was generally called fusion or jazz-rock? Confused

That's depending on the style - jazzrock, symphonic rock (British and Italian bands mostly), flash rock, krautrock, Kosmische Musik ...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2014 at 05:53
Originally posted by Drumstruck Drumstruck wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Drumstruck Drumstruck wrote:

Nice to resurrect this thread as my first post :-)

My vote goes to Pierre Moerlen - so talented

other notables being
Pip Pyle and Christian Vander

modern guys who impress me are
Gavin Harrison, Virgil Donati, Mangine and Portnoy
Portnoy and Harrison are jazz-rock drummers?

I'd say so - the term Prog is "post-post-modernist" looking back on the time - in the 70s it was generally called fusion or jazz-rock or even avant-garde.... so I'm being a bit loose with the terminology.  All these guys are so good they could play whatever you threw at them so labels are just labels :-).

Whilst I'm at it I'll add Thomas Pridgen to the list of modern guys that impress me.

Progressive Rock as a term is almost as old as the music it attemnt to describe. Perhaps the shortened version "Prog Rock" is younger but anyway you look at namechecking Portnoy and Garrison among your handful of favorite jazz rock drummers suggests you're not too familiar with jazz rock drumming.
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