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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2013 at 22:53
Former bassist? Don't you mean recovering bassist?

I always wondered what constitutes a bassist. I've heard that guitarists make terrible bass players because they play like guitarists. Real bassists are something different? They don't ever touch an instrument with 6 strings? I recall that Pete Giles was brought into KC for Wake of Poseidon because he was a real bassist as opposed to Lake who was a guitarist playing the bass. I think Lake is a bassist now, isn't he? At what point did he move from being a guitarist playing the bass to a bassist?

For that matter, at what point does someone who plays the piano become a pianist? That "ist" is a powerful little suffix, isn't it?

How come no one is a drummist?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 11:50
And what about those bassists who can't just be happy with one string but have to have five and don't get me started on Tony Levin and the whole Chapman Stick thing, I mean, like, that's waaay too many strings for a proper bassist to have...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 12:15
^ Now this is a bass player with too many strings...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 12:22
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

^ Now this is a bass player with too many strings...



Wow! Do you have any youtube clips of how that thing sounds?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 12:37
^ The instrument is a theorbo lute...and you have to wait for the last note for him to play a bass string...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2013 at 00:22
Originally posted by stegor stegor wrote:

Former bassist? Don't you mean recovering bassist?

I always wondered what constitutes a bassist. I've heard that guitarists make terrible bass players because they play like guitarists. Real bassists are something different?

Excellent question!!  I started on guitar very young (11), but never was serious about it until I bought a cheap bass from a friend.  I approached the bass guitar with a similar approach to guitar, mostly using a pick & pursuing a very aggressive attack on the strings.  

....like Chris Squire, Greg Lake, Ray Bennett & many others!  

I also play "thumpy" bass with my fingers, but never did get that slapping-stuff down at all.  I tend to be more melodic than rhythmic. 

In one band I was in, I did ALL instrumental lead work on a four-string electric bass, heavily processed!  The guitarist generated walls of sound through racks, and the drummer went nuts in a Stewart Copeland fashion.  I'm a decent lead guitarist, but those leads on bass were excellent!  Sorry to say the tapes were lost! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2013 at 15:57
Hi,
 
I think that "rock music" will eventually add a "bass guitar" to its orchestra design ... just like the electric guitar.
 
Those two have been developed a lot better and further than most other instruments, specially when the synthesizer is nothing but a replacement for another instrument in an orchestra.
 
In general, from my perspective, classical music has not had the repetitive and contextual basis that rock music (and jazz!) has defined for itself ... and this creates more possibilities for the future by the time the two mix and match and learn to play together.
 
There is a thread, or group of folks, that do not believe that anything that is "popular music", of which the "electric" contingent belongs to and is a part of, will EVER be a part of music history ... and I think that is incorrect. Music has always shown improvements, and additions and other factors in its history, and I think that rock music will help a lot of new things in the future ... and the likes of work, like Mike Oldfield, guitar over the orchestration, will be more and more visible in the future. Unffortunately, most of us will be long dead and gone to find out about all that ... but if something like that does not happen, "classical music" will probably die after 500 years! Replaced by music that is more forceful, has more personality, and clearly defines the human nature and potential a lot better than before ... because it allows emotion with vocals, something that most classical music has very little off, and has had 500 years to address, and didn't!
 
I wonder if we are thinking of slapping as some sort of process that belongs in the music ... and I have always thought it was more of an accent than it was anything else ... weird to see it thought of as a process that belongs in music!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2013 at 22:44
Boz can say what he wants, doesn't change that Bad Company is generally pretty bland. As straight rock bands go they're pretty unremarkable and dry. Though there are a couple good tracks, their music is FAR too sparse (even as straight abead rock bands go).
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