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    Posted: September 04 2013 at 20:28
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Originally posted by Stool Man

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What's so special about "Selling England By The Pound"?

3-4 amazing tracks (counting Aisle of Plenty which is barely a stand alone track its so short)
1 good track - After The Ordeal
3 mediocre tracks including Battle Of Epping Forest

I think it has some of the most beautifull moments in prog ever but overall I don't believe its as consistent as Foxtrot which I prefer. In general I've always had a bit of a love hate relationshio with Gabriel era Genesis. A lot of it flies over my head and was a just a tad too much up its own bum for its own good. After Gabriel left I feel the band became much a more powerfull unit and Collins traditional vocals works better for me.I don't mind a bit of pop.Tongue
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2013 at 05:37
Originally posted by Stool Man

Week 3.
What's so special about "Selling England By The Pound"?

I can only say that it's like a gateway album for prog Genesis.  It is the album that lots of prog listeners that are not hardcore Genesis fans prefer.  Somewhat like WYWH.  I do like both albums but they are not the ones I like most from both bands.  I prefer Lamb Lies/Foxtrot for Genesis and Meddle/DSOTM for PF.  
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More Fool Me is one of the best tracks on the album. I probably love it more that Cinema Show.
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I think it is the definition of "symphonic progressive rock". It's complex, beautiful and it works. Lots of progressive bands are close to pop rock, but these guys give them a punch on the face! Here is the special thing: the song get stuck on your mind, although it is far from pop songs.
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What's so special about "Dark Side Of The Moon"?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2013 at 14:19
It's special. I have a wonderful demonstration but there's too few space here to write it down Big smile
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Special for its commercial impact and strong conceptual nature. Doesn't do it for me musically nearly as much as most other albums I can think of off-hand, but still a 4-star in my book. Nothing inherently bad about it. I think it's definitely a milestone album in terms of influence and historical significance for both prog as a whole and music in general.
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

I apply the following to all pieces of music:

Don't expect one group of people to understand and appreciate what the other group enjoys. Some people like it for one subset of things, others like it for another subset of things. Don't try to figure out this mystery. If you are really interested in this kind of things, study sociomusicology. Otherwise, would you like to discuss it in clinical terms (merits)? Because I personally don't care for the terms themselves. I can't explain why I really like the chorus to GG's "So Sincere". And we have a word for it that lets us off so easily in many discussions - subtlety. "I don't know what it is that I love about it; it's just so subtle!"

I guess all I'm saying is that you are asking for an answer that is perchance beyond the scope of a thread. Don't try to figure it out. If it doesn't work for ya, then it doesn't work for ya. Let it go or try again later. In my view music is about experience, not the formulaic music theory itself.


First, let me highlight this excellent post. Pure truth for me.
That said, coming to Selling England: Tony's keys in Cinema Show, Steve's solo in Firth of Fifth, Peter's brilliance in Epping Forest. Three giant pillars of prog, take just one and it would be enough to make this album immortal. Even if the album is no flawless, silliness turns up here and here.
And the coda to FOF, the river of constant change... small tears spent every time, huggermugger, for the years that are gone.

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One of my favorite albums ever. It made use of stereo to fill the sonic space, something that had not previously been accomplished. The album was something way bigger than the 10 tracks of which it was comprised.
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oh, sorry, I was late for SEBTP
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Great album indeed... it all just flows perfectly and it's better to be listened to as a whole. There are some songs that I don't like so much, but even "On the Run" is essential to the album and just can't be skipped. And even though it may not have such great higlights as "Shine on You Crazy Diamond", "Echoes" or "Dogs", once again, every song is made better just because it's part of the album. Indeed a case of "The whole is better than the sum of it's parts". Also, the lyrics are just awsome, some of the best concepts Waters ever came up with, and the band seem to have been at it's collaborative peak. All that Pink Floyd did before this album was just the preparation for this album.
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I rarely listen to DSOTM anymore, but there were several things that made it special, fresh, and unique in 1973.  The songs about madness with the barely audible voices buried in the mix.  The use of the cash register, alarm clocks, and other everyday objects tied into the songs...years before anyone had even imagined samplers.  The synth sequencer in "On the Run".  The cool ending piece ("All that you touch...") which isn't really a song as much as a thematic close to a film.  This was all new ground in '73...is it still special today?  I think so though it's a little worn around the edges from over exposure.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2013 at 11:09
Originally posted by Stool Man

What's so special about "Dark Side Of The Moon"?

Wouldn't even know where to start.  The bold simplicity, the dark, bitter emotions, lyrics that are both topical and timeless depending on how you read them and the sheer variety of sounds put together for the album.   
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The drum solo on comfortably numb
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Am I wrong or On The Run, The Great Gig In The Sky and Any Colour You Like are the last instrumentals released by PF if we don't consider the intro tracks of the last two albums?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Xonty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2013 at 13:42
Dark Side isn't a bad album, but maybe a little overrated (its quite difficult not to be when its sold almost 50 million). The atmosphere and the themes are just excellent though and I couldn't picture a prog collection without it
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Originally posted by Polymorphia

One of my favorite albums ever. It made use of stereo to fill the sonic space, something that had not previously been accomplished. The album was something way bigger than the 10 tracks of which it was comprised.

I simply don't believe the claim in that statement I have highlighted. You would need to explain that to me. Why would it be such a leap from say what ELP were doing on Tarkus a couple of years earlier?

For me its a collection of good songs that were commercial enough to draw in those that didn't want anything too experimental. There is that with brilliant but simple album cover that suggested something very deep and intellectual. Conceptually it was broad enough to survive scrutiny and not too clever that it would fly over peoples heads.

On The Run was the only real stab at anything that I would regard as experimentation. However electronic innovation in music was already well under way especially when you consider Pete Townsend's Lighthouse Project and Tangerine Dream and the other German pioneers.It wasn't that new.



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Us And Them. To me it means the first slow dancing with a girl. Then, disco music burst in, bye-bye. "Gone, but not forgotten".
More seriously: I don't consider Dark Side a prog album, it's a splendid, heavily psychedelic tinged pop opus. PF's last prog album was More, and just for Echoes.
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Originally posted by Horizons

The drum solo on comfortably numb

LOL
Seriously: DSotM stands out because itís extremely well crafted and very consistent, it has several outstanding tracks (my favourites being Time, The Great Gig in the Sky, Us and Them and Brain Damage) and very good lyrics. It may not be the most progressive album in history, but I would definitely give it five stars.
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