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    Posted: August 28 2013 at 21:43
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Yay, another plugging opportunity! Big smile

Three of my compositions are here...

https://soundcloud.com/zeitgeist-band

Wow, this is really nice stuff.  I'm not much of a jazz guy but I could really get into this.

I am a bit surprised you're not a jazz fan. It strikes me as something you'd likeó at least the post-bop and free varieties do.
I do like it occasionally, especially of the more experimental (e.g. Green Room, Sun City Girls), non-Western-oriented (e.g. Embryo, Oregon),  and/or electric (e.g Miles Davis fusion stuff, Terje Rypdal) kind of jazz, but I generally don't reach for it very often.  When it comes time to pick horns or guitars, I almost always go with guitars.  Or keyboards, they're good too.  You know what I mean.  I'm not Crazy about jazz, with a capital C, dig?
I getcha. I almost always avoid guitar in jazz, though. The horns and rhythm section are what do it for me. Jazz guitar, to my ears, is vapid and doesn't have much sonic versatility. I've only recently got into jazz, too, which is weird because my dad and my brothers are all jazz musicians. I would recommend to you "Sahara" by McCoy Tyner. Its pretty intense and crazy and uses koto and other instruments non-traditional to jazz, but doesn't require as much focus as, say, the second great Miles Davis Quartet. It doesn't have guitar, though.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Pessimist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2013 at 21:50
Originally posted by Polymorphia

Originally posted by HolyMoly

Originally posted by Polymorphia

Originally posted by HolyMoly

Originally posted by The Pessimist

Yay, another plugging opportunity! Big smile

Three of my compositions are here...

https://soundcloud.com/zeitgeist-band

Wow, this is really nice stuff.  I'm not much of a jazz guy but I could really get into this.

I am a bit surprised you're not a jazz fan. It strikes me as something you'd likeó at least the post-bop and free varieties do.
I do like it occasionally, especially of the more experimental (e.g. Green Room, Sun City Girls), non-Western-oriented (e.g. Embryo, Oregon),  and/or electric (e.g Miles Davis fusion stuff, Terje Rypdal) kind of jazz, but I generally don't reach for it very often.  When it comes time to pick horns or guitars, I almost always go with guitars.  Or keyboards, they're good too.  You know what I mean.  I'm not Crazy about jazz, with a capital C, dig?
I getcha. I almost always avoid guitar in jazz, though. The horns and rhythm section are what do it for me. Jazz guitar, to my ears, is vapid and doesn't have much sonic versatility. I've only recently got into jazz, too, which is weird because my dad and my brothers are all jazz musicians. I would recommend to you "Sahara" by McCoy Tyner. Its pretty intense and crazy and uses koto and other instruments non-traditional to jazz, but doesn't require as much focus as, say, the second great Miles Davis Quartet. It doesn't have guitar, though.


Have you guys checked out much of the New York scene lately? It's coming back with a vengeance!


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I live in NYC.

I should check dat
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I used to do a lot of noise/ambient tinkering type stuff, including a collaborative effort with a bunch of PA folks... haven't done much recently; just can't seem to find that inspiration... 

But anyway, here's the old stuff

http://electrifythounukes.bandcamp.com
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Has anyone ever tried recording additional parts for other people's tracks and using those parts for his own material?
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Has anyone ever tried recording additional parts for other people's tracks and using those parts for his own material?

Not really, but once I was jamming along to Miles Davis' Duran, and came up with a riff that I'm going to use it on my next album. Usually it's just me, the instrument and silence, but this time someone else helped me come up with a good thing.
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Here's my latest EP (originally released in June) with remastered (actually "first-time-mastered" ;D) audio!

http://kanoi.bandcamp.com/album/basque-for-barrel-ep

The mastering was done by Robin Schmidt at 24-96 Mastering - I think he also did the mastering for a release by the band Battle Stations (who are on PA as well)!
If you'd like a free copy for reviewing purposes just drop me a line and I'll gladly send it to you via WeTransfer :)

Enjoy!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote HolyMoly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2013 at 10:40
Originally posted by Polymorphia

I would recommend to you "Sahara" by McCoy Tyner. Its pretty intense and crazy and uses koto and other instruments non-traditional to jazz, but doesn't require as much focus as, say, the second great Miles Davis Quartet. It doesn't have guitar, though.
I'm familiar with that album, I like it.
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Originally posted by HolyMoly

Originally posted by Polymorphia

I would recommend to you "Sahara" by McCoy Tyner. Its pretty intense and crazy and uses koto and other instruments non-traditional to jazz, but doesn't require as much focus as, say, the second great Miles Davis Quartet. It doesn't have guitar, though.
I'm familiar with that album, I like it.
Have you checked out Coltrane's post-bop or free stuff, then? "A Love Supreme" and "Om" are my favorites.

Also, Mustard Sea, I've sampled your music and I plan to give it a full listen soon. Stay tuned for a small review.
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Originally posted by Polymorphia

Originally posted by HolyMoly

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I would recommend to you "Sahara" by McCoy Tyner. Its pretty intense and crazy and uses koto and other instruments non-traditional to jazz, but doesn't require as much focus as, say, the second great Miles Davis Quartet. It doesn't have guitar, though.
I'm familiar with that album, I like it.
Have you checked out Coltrane's post-bop or free stuff, then? "A Love Supreme" and "Om" are my favorites.

Yeah, I'm reasonably familiar with Coltrane, particularly the late stuff.  "Ascension" is prob my favorite of them.  I don't listen to him a lot though.
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Anyone ever wrote preachy lyrics?
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I'm not religious.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dayvenkirq Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2013 at 23:26
LOL ... No, I mean lyrics in which you give moral advice ... as in ... .
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The few lyrics that I've written are more abstract and not really about anything. As a writer, though, the preachiest that I get is in forms of satire. So my answer would be not really.
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I try to avoid being preachy. Really, any time I try to make a point or express an opinion or moral in a song, it sounds pretentious, and I aim to be very unpretentious, especially with the kind of music I make. Instead I usually try to make abstract, unimportant lyrics that are only there to add to the sound. Stuff like this:

Space and time
Start to collide
Acid boats
Run thru out me
I killed rabbits
Inside my mind
Killed the pope
Sent a letter

My old dog
Killed my lizard
I smoked dope
And ate the leftovers
He Smiled
And said well done
It smelled weird
I ran for my life

I LOATH THE OCEAN
I remember Dark


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The motto is "show, don't tell." The moral has to be implied. Also, don't spend your time on obvious and specific allegories. Give whatever issue you're wanting to convey some complexity.
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^ Then that means that you won't be straightforward. Can you write meaningful lyrics without them being complex?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Polymorphia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2013 at 16:48
^Thoughtful poetry doesn't necessarily mean complexity. It means taking into account a personal aspect rather than just writing a rhyming essay. Instead of writing "I'm sad," or "I'm in love," try writing the things you would say and do if you were lovestruck or sad. You insult the listeners' intelligence when you make their judgements for them. Give them something to empathize with, something to judge for themselves. Don't expect them to agree or even sympathize with what you're saying, good or bad, if you force it on them.
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Made some progress on this thing I'm working on.
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Originally posted by Luna

Made some progress on this thing I'm working on.
Sounds great. I would repeat each part an insane amount of times, before moving to the next.
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