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Chris S
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Posted: September 19 2013 at 20:04 | |||||
BTW what is a.m.p? All Music?
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...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: September 19 2013 at 23:14 | |||||
I always thought that was quite a leap of faith on the part of Yes...replacing Bill Bruford with the drummer from the Plastic Ono Band
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Dean
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Posted: September 20 2013 at 04:12 | |||||
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What?
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The-Bullet
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Posted: September 20 2013 at 11:24 | |||||
I was on the Alt.Music.Yes group for months before I realised why people had the sig. "leaving amy place" |
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"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?" |
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dr wu23
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Posted: September 20 2013 at 13:07 | |||||
According to Bruford, in his autobiography, he was the one who recommended White to Yes.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: September 20 2013 at 14:08 | |||||
I had no idea...thanks for the info
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dr wu23
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Posted: September 20 2013 at 14:23 | |||||
His book was an interesting read....talks about the music, other musicians, travelling and touring, as well as the business side of things. In a nutshell he became disillusioned with rock and prog in general and wanted to just play jazz. until he retired.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: September 20 2013 at 23:45 | |||||
Ya, I actually read it a few months ago but didn't recall the part about him recommending Alan White. The main thing I remember about the book is I thought it was very sad. Mr B is my fave drummer (I was even able to attend a Simmons electronic drum seminar he gave in 1988 at a local music store) and it was disheartening to read the latter part of the book. So many great accomplishments and by the end of the book it seemed like he was so bitter and disillusioned. I've honestly never read a musician biography before that made me feel so sad.
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Pekka
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Posted: September 21 2013 at 00:59 | |||||
I'm reading the book right now and nearing the end. It has been a very good read so far, definitely the best music book I've read in a long time. Made me think a little about my relationship with listening to and making music.
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cstack3
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Posted: September 21 2013 at 08:55 | |||||
Back to "Tales from Topographic Oceans" - which side is your favorite, and why?
I go back & forth, and "The Revealing Science of God" always stirs me...however, I've also always loved side 2, "The Remembering!" Squire plays fretless bass on this, and they really cook when they sing "Relayer....all the dying cried before you!" I used to not like "The Ancient" very much, but it grew on me after repeated listenings. It is still my least favorite side. An amazing album!
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Epignosis
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Posted: September 21 2013 at 09:27 | |||||
"The Revealing Science of God" is my favorite, and I waver between "The Remembering" and "Ritual" after that. "The Ancient" is a lovely avant-garde shift amidst the symphonic splendor.
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Epignosis
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Posted: September 21 2013 at 09:31 | |||||
Another thing that many people might not have noticed is that Steve Howe plays riffs from Close to the Edge in "The Ancient." During one of the cacophonies (ba-Dat, ba-Dat, ba--DA) he tosses in the main guitar theme from "Siberian Khatru" (the phrase he repeats right before his guitar solo at the end of the song). And during the classical guitar part, he includes the very beginning of "Close to the Edge."
Howe also references the main theme of "The Revealing Science of God" at the end of "Ritual," but in a minor key. |
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Finnforest
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Posted: September 21 2013 at 10:21 | |||||
I love all 4 sides almost equally. Right now Ancient is my girlfriend, but I truly love them all.
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moshkito
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Posted: September 21 2013 at 11:50 | |||||
I'm not even sure that "jazz" is what he wanted to play, because, just like rock music, jazz is also very restrictive, and I am willing to bet that Bill would prefer to not be tied down to one thing only. And the rock'n'roll like, is not for everyone ... playing the hits "every" night!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Dean
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Posted: September 21 2013 at 12:20 | |||||
I think if Bill Brufford (or Mickey Mouse come to that) writes in his AUTObiography that he wanted to play Jazz then I too would assume he meant something entirely different.
...and still the hits keep coming.
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Ronnie Pilgrim
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Posted: September 21 2013 at 14:47 | |||||
I have always noticed those two revisited themes, and the one from the first track (or as I remember it, Side One).
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elbownut
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Posted: September 21 2013 at 14:56 | |||||
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"Music was my first love and it will be my last" - John Miles "Music"
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: September 21 2013 at 22:43 | |||||
"The Revelaing Science" has always been my fave. I love the opening chant and the "They move fast, they tell me" section is my favourite part on the entire album. "The Ancient" comes next, Howe kills it in the opening wailing guitar solo then plays that beautiful classical guitar section to close it out. "The Remembering" comes next with the "Relayer..." section a favourite and the great chord progression that ends it. I've never liked "Ritual" especially the percussion ensemble part. Still, a brilliant album and saying what I don't like is kinda like criticizing the best dinner I ever had, "ya the Kobe steak and fresh Maine lobster were great, but I wish they would've put a slice of lemon in my ice water"
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Kazza3
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Posted: September 22 2013 at 04:57 | |||||
Thanks very much for linking the article, cstack, was very interesting! Love this album, even for its few flaws. It just has such a sense of wholeness and beauty. The Revealing is my favourite, as it is for many others, it's possibly the most well arranged Yes epic, the arrangement of themes & sections is sublime. The Remembering is fantastic, including the lengthy opening sections, I really enjoy it, and the keyboard breaks are one of the best keyboard moments in prog. The Ancient is my least favourite, it's very cool & percussive but kinda lacks that sense of cohesion. Ritual is pretty great as well, especially the end, but I don't like it as much as I used to.
I don't know about the Portland Symphony, but the vast majority of orchestras these days certainly play plenty of non-classical concerts, from supporting popular artists (ie, like Gurrumul playing with the Sydney Symphony), or pops concerts, or the like. Players are certainly accustomed to playing that material- they're not afraid of it- but of course they like it less than playing the classical repertoire- to classical musicians, the kind of feeling that comes from playing those phenomenal works is incomparable, and though they usually enjoy playing the other stuff, it's never going to match most of the time. As fantastic as a concert dedicated to Yes (or otherwise) arrangements would be, I also find it highly unlikely that such a concert would be sudden cash cow for them, as much as we prog fans might like to think, I'm not sure the support is quite there.
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dr wu23
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Posted: September 22 2013 at 11:05 | |||||
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