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The.Crimson.King 
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 Posted: October 24 2013 at 17:10 |
 dr wu23 wrote:
Glad you enjoyed it..one of my favorite 'Stones ' songs. The film Performance is kind of interesting in a weird way. I bought the vinyl soundtrack back in the old days since that was the only way you could get that song until they put it on a Stones collection many years later. |
In the 70's biography "Up and Down with the Rolling Stones", author Tony Sanchez (aka Spanish Tony) devotes a few pages to all the craziness that surrounded the filming of that movie. A lot had to do with Keith's uncomfortable feelings about his new girlfriend (Anita Pallenburg) doing the sex/bath scenes with Mick and the fact that they appeared a little too real for Keith's taste 
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Posted: October 24 2013 at 22:29 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Glad you enjoyed it..one of my favorite 'Stones ' songs. The film Performance is kind of interesting in a weird way. I bought the vinyl soundtrack back in the old days since that was the only way you could get that song until they put it on a Stones collection many years later. |
In the 70's biography "Up and Down with the Rolling Stones", author Tony Sanchez (aka Spanish Tony) devotes a few pages to all the craziness that surrounded the filming of that movie. A lot had to do with Keith's uncomfortable feelings about his new girlfriend (Anita Pallenburg) doing the sex/bath scenes with Mick and the fact that they appeared a little too real for Keith's taste |
And wasn't she Brian Jones' girlfriend before Keith's..?
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Posted: October 25 2013 at 00:34 |
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Posted: October 25 2013 at 15:13 |
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^ Yes, she was Brian's GF first. One of the theories about Brian's rapid descent into druggie hell was that first he lost Anita to Keith, then control of the Stones to Mick & Keith.
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dr wu23
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Posted: October 25 2013 at 17:25 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
^ Yes, she was Brian's GF first. One of the theories about Brian's rapid descent into druggie hell was that first he lost Anita to Keith, then control of the Stones to Mick & Keith. |
I realize he was one of, if not the original founder, but Mick and Keith always wrote the songs, so how was he ever really in 'control' of the Stones? That part always seemed a bit unclear.
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Posted: October 25 2013 at 19:46 |
dr wu23 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
^ Yes, she was Brian's GF first. One of the theories about Brian's rapid descent into druggie hell was that first he lost Anita to Keith, then control of the Stones to Mick & Keith. |
I realize he was one of, if not the original founder, but Mick and Keith always wrote the songs, so how was he ever really in 'control' of the Stones? That part always seemed a bit unclear. |
You bring up a great point 
It's generally accepted Brian was the leader and in control in the early days...he chose the band name, booked the shows, turned the other guys on to obscure R&B and clearly had more influence on the material. When Keith & Mick were still snotty nosed kids living with Mum, Brian was living on his own and already had at least one illegitimate child (not saying that's cool, but it gave him street cred with the other guys).
The earliest Stones alliance was between Brian & Keith - which makes sense because the guitarists bonded over their obsessive love of blues/R&B. For awhile they totally ostracized Mick and took to referring to him as "Jagger" because...well...come on, he was just the singer! Remember, in the early days of the Stones success, they were purely a cover band and that's how they gained a following. When they eventually released their 1st album, it featured only 2 originals but 10 covers.
But then things changed because for everything Brian could do, he was never a songwriter. In fact, the story goes that it was John & Paul that convinced the Stones that their future lay in writing their own songs instead of just covering black American blues/R&B. Brian never bought into it as he was a total blues/R&B purist. After the Beatles suggestion, it was Mick & Keith who seriously began writing together and Brian was left out in the cold. Once the Stones started having success with their own compositions, the balance of power began to shift and the times when Brian tried to bring in ideas for songs he was berated and marginalized by Jagger/Richards and eventually gave up and turned to drink/drugs to drown his sorrow.
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Posted: October 25 2013 at 21:00 |
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Jones' efforts on the Satanic Majesties album far surpasses the work from his bandmates. It is a total gem of an album, even with the Hippie waffle here and there.
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Posted: October 26 2013 at 17:03 |
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Jones' efforts on the Satanic Majesties album far surpasses the work from his bandmates. It is a total gem of an album, even with the Hippie waffle here and there. |
I agree that it's a wonderful album, but ironic, as Brian Jones reportedly hated it:
"The Satanic Majesties record wasn't going well; what with the drug busts and Brian's disintegration, it had already taken a year and it was costing $100,000. At heart, Mick and Keith knew that Brian was right: This wasn't Stones music, this was pretentious crap. But they tried to hide the weakness of the music by exotic packaging; a three dimensional camera was even imported from Japan so that Michael Cooper could take an unusual cover photograph.
The album, called eventually 'Their Satanic Majesties Request' because Decca had no intention of putting out any record with a provocatively antiroyal title, was received as badly as Brian had predicted it would be; almost all the critics realized that it was a feeble attempt to imitate the success of Sgt Pepper, and it was generally put down as a potpourri of half cocked electronic noodlings.
'Thank Christ for that', said Brian. 'Now perhaps we can get back to playing music again.'"
Excerpt from "Up and Down with the Rolling Stones" by Tony Sanchez.
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Posted: October 26 2013 at 21:10 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
^ Yes, she was Brian's GF first. One of the theories about Brian's rapid descent into druggie hell was that first he lost Anita to Keith, then control of the Stones to Mick & Keith. |
I realize he was one of, if not the original founder, but Mick and Keith always wrote the songs, so how was he ever really in 'control' of the Stones? That part always seemed a bit unclear. |
You bring up a great point
It's generally accepted Brian was the leader and in control in the early days...he chose the band name, booked the shows, turned the other guys on to obscure R&B and clearly had more influence on the material. When Keith & Mick were still snotty nosed kids living with Mum, Brian was living on his own and already had at least one illegitimate child (not saying that's cool, but it gave him street cred with the other guys).
The earliest Stones alliance was between Brian & Keith - which makes sense because the guitarists bonded over their obsessive love of blues/R&B. For awhile they totally ostracized Mick and took to referring to him as "Jagger" because...well...come on, he was just the singer! Remember, in the early days of the Stones success, they were purely a cover band and that's how they gained a following. When they eventually released their 1st album, it featured only 2 originals but 10 covers.
But then things changed because for everything Brian could do, he was never a songwriter. In fact, the story goes that it was John & Paul that convinced the Stones that their future lay in writing their own songs instead of just covering black American blues/R&B. Brian never bought into it as he was a total blues/R&B purist. After the Beatles suggestion, it was Mick & Keith who seriously began writing together and Brian was left out in the cold. Once the Stones started having success with their own compositions, the balance of power began to shift and the times when Brian tried to bring in ideas for songs he was berated and marginalized by Jagger/Richards and eventually gave up and turned to drink/drugs to drown his sorrow. |
That makes sense;.....too bad Jones couldn't write decent original blues rock. things might have turned out far differently.
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Posted: October 26 2013 at 23:27 |
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As a kind of Raga-like piece - 'Gomper' whips The Beatles 'Within You, Without You' (though I greatly admire the 5/4 section of the song) IMO. Actually, to sum up the 2 albums, ignoring the Prog-factor, Sgt. Pepper's is a 4 star album, Satanic Majesties is a 5. Had Pepper's been decorated up with mellotrons it may have been insanely good.......
Another observation - I don't think the Stones had ANY song featuring odd-metres - Beatles had quite a few......
Edited by Tom Ozric - October 28 2013 at 01:58
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: October 27 2013 at 14:28 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
Had Pepper's been decorated up with mellotrons it may have been insanely good.......
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Edited by The.Crimson.King - October 27 2013 at 14:28
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Posted: October 27 2013 at 15:15 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Jones' efforts on the Satanic Majesties album far surpasses the work from his bandmates. It is a total gem of an album, even with the Hippie waffle here and there. |
I agree that it's a wonderful album, but ironic, as Brian Jones reportedly hated it: |
I've read that too, and always thought it was kinda funny since Brian seemed to be the one bringing all the oddball instruments into their music during that period (oddball for blues rock at least).
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Posted: October 28 2013 at 01:56 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Had Pepper's been decorated up with mellotrons it may have been insanely good.......
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Indeed, that and 'Flying' - but it's never enough 'tron for me. I do prefer Magical Mystery Tour to Pepper's. In fact, Satanic Majesties is closer to MMT than SPLHCB. Forgot to say how great the song 'Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)' is. Billy Preston makes his prescence felt again. Oh, the brief lead break from Taylor is superb too. 
Edited by Tom Ozric - October 28 2013 at 02:01
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