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    Posted: November 05 2013 at 14:18

Hello Prog Archives, 

I was wondering about people's thoughts on Band Camp. Similarly to myself, I imagine many here stand as advocates of physical music. But since Digital music and streaming is flourishing more than ever before, I am curious about what services that are out there that allow artists to see more income out of it. 

I have written this recent article in my blog about Band Camp being a digital service that is moving digital music forward, making music sales digitally more beneficial for the artist as well as the fans. 


How many artists here use Band Camp? How many fans use it to download music? I'll be interested to see the results.

Many thanks! 


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Anyone that doesn't use bandcamp is insane. There's so much great music to experience by bands that no one has ever heard of.
http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/

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Absolutely love love love bandcamp.
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I love bandcamp! It gives my band their own website and lets us sell our music on there site without a monthly charge. They will take some out of each purchase of the song but its better than paying iTunes $90 and get less than half out of every purchase. Plus i can customize my page and it can show up on the bandcamp homepage if enough people buy our music! Plus its the best possible way to get our music out without a record deal.  

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Some of my yearly Top 10 albums come from this amazing website. Great website. Anyone who hasn't tried to use it, I suggest devoting an hour or two and end up with a dozen albums or bands you're in love with.

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Originally posted by TheGreatSopko

I love bandcamp! It gives my band their own website and lets us sell our music on there site without a monthly charge. They will take some out of each purchase of the song but its better than paying iTunes $90 and get less than half out of every purchase. Plus i can customize my page and it can show up on the bandcamp homepage if enough people buy our music! Plus its the best possible way to get our music out without a record deal.  


That's great to see you utilising it so well! A question I however may wish to ask is how to do you encourage your fans to pay via bandcamp instead of somewhere else, say Itunes? Writing the aforementioned blog on my part my help but any ideas on how to promote your music via that page more effectively?

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Originally posted by RyanElliott

Originally posted by TheGreatSopko

I love bandcamp! It gives my band their own website and lets us sell our music on there site without a monthly charge. They will take some out of each purchase of the song but its better than paying iTunes $90 and get less than half out of every purchase. Plus i can customize my page and it can show up on the bandcamp homepage if enough people buy our music! Plus its the best possible way to get our music out without a record deal.  


That's great to see you utilising it so well! A question I however may wish to ask is how to do you encourage your fans to pay via bandcamp instead of somewhere else, say Itunes? Writing the aforementioned blog on my part my help but any ideas on how to promote your music via that page more effectively?



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Post Options Post Options   Quote smartpatrol Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2013 at 18:47
I use bandcamp and many artists I admire and/or artists I know use it, too. I think it's incredible. I'm able to put all my stuff in one place, organize it, and in the future, sell it. I'm sure I wouldn't be able to get the amount of success I have (which isn't very much, but i digress) if all I had was, like, Mediafire and the like.


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It's a good service. Always a plus to have band sanctioned samples to listen to (If not whole albums). Certainly can't replace physical media, but it's probably the best alternative to it out there.

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But artists can sell physical copies over Bandcamp if they have them
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Originally posted by RyanElliott

Originally posted by TheGreatSopko

I love bandcamp! It gives my band their own website and lets us sell our music on there site without a monthly charge. They will take some out of each purchase of the song but its better than paying iTunes $90 and get less than half out of every purchase. Plus i can customize my page and it can show up on the bandcamp homepage if enough people buy our music! Plus its the best possible way to get our music out without a record deal.  


That's great to see you utilising it so well! A question I however may wish to ask is how to do you encourage your fans to pay via bandcamp instead of somewhere else, say Itunes? Writing the aforementioned blog on my part my help but any ideas on how to promote your music via that page more effectively?


I don't know how to promote more effectively on bandcamp unless you already have fans and you use particular tags and you become the top seller in extremely common tags. This is kind of the beauty of bandcamp as it forces you to advertise elsewhere.


http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/

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We use Bandcamp to share our music with the world for free. Not because it has no value but because we are well aware that it has limited appeal to a select few. We don't know who they are so it's available to everyone. Funny thing is somehow someone out there downloaded it and distributed it to numerous download sites around the world, mostly in Russia by the looks of it. A couple of them are charging for the downloads which I find humorous because it's available for free on about a dozen websites thanks to the pirates. So yes, in a way we're being ripped off but I seriously doubt any real money is being made with our esoteric musings.

I don't really promote it because I don't think that works. People have a completely different reaction to music when their attention is alerted to it via solicitation than when they find it on their own. Instead I try to put subtle hints here and there.

I really like the stats they give you. You can see where your traffic is coming from. I'm really pleased to see how much of it comes from progarchives.com.
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I luvs da bandcamp.
I purchase CDs from there whenever available.
However I never purchase digital.  I needs my seedeez!
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If every artist I cared about had a bandcamp, I would never buy a CD again.
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Ryan - I just read the blog you linked here - very good. I've never seen that nifty "Modern Recording" illustration, despite its viral status. I know it's a popular opinion but personally I think it's a misconception. There was true audiophile equipment back in the day, but nobody I knew had it. It was astronomically expensive.

Really smart scientists tried to silence tape hiss with Dolby A B and C, followed by DBX 1 and DBX 2, none of which were compatible with each other and all of which sucked the life out of any good recording. For the most part I had crappy cheap stereos with rumbly turntables tethered to cassette decks with misaligned heads. I remember listening to tapes in my car, wedging a comb under the tape forcing it to align with the head. If I was lucky it would play all the way through without getting eaten. There's precision for ya. So anyone honest coming from that world will tell you that a 256kbps mp3 played through decent mid-priced headphones, even cheap headphones, sounds a hell of a lot better than that.

Back to the topic of Bandcamp - I gave my opinion of it as a DIY artist. I can't really say much about it as a listener. I was blessed to be born in 1960, so my age of discovery landed in the heyday of Prog. If I was in my early teens now I can only imagine what it would be like to have the discovery tools at my fingertips. I'd probably be searching every corner of Bandcamp for mysterious treasures. In the '70's we had some late night TV and radio shows and a few magazines and the Prog they presented was sparsely dispersed along with Helen Reddy and The Carpenters.
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Bandcamp is a godsend, in the most secular sense of the word

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I don't really aim to make money from my recordings, though it's awful swell when someone pays a little money for the download. It's a good place to finalise the finished product, I find. 
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Originally posted by Padraic

If every artist I cared about had a bandcamp, I would never buy a CD again.
If every artist I card about had a bandcamp, I'd buy all of their CDs from bandcamp!
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Bandcamp is great. I love the way they leave it up to you and don't pester you about anything, like reverberation does. You get to decide how much to charge and it's easy to embed their player on your web site! 
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I spent about 5 hours fishing for overlooked pearls on bandcamp just yesterday, ended up finding 3 albums that I really liked and had a good laugh on insane amount of pure trash that is up there, too. I really love the conception of this website, as it is very easy to find something interesting, the streaming is decent and distribution options are really impressive. Plus, and that's very important it gives enough options to customize visual appearance. What else would I want really? A contrary, I really don't like reverbnation for its constant annoying offers for paid promotion which is completely useless for an artist and only serves the purpose of filling the pocket of Reverbnation's owners.
In general, I think we live in the golden age of music: if you have time and enough in your mind and in your hands you can create or find any music, regardless of what guys with big bellies in their offices want to sell you.
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