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    Posted: November 25 2013 at 01:44
Chicago debut album 'Chicago Transit Authority' shouldn't be ignored either although it does require a looser definition of prog to be applied perhaps.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Prog_Traveller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2013 at 19:31
Actually Pink Floyd's debut was in 1967 not 68. Saucerful of secrets(their second album)was from 1968 and imo is both prog and psych at the same time. That is to say it has elements of both.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2013 at 15:33
Originally posted by progbethyname

1969's best album for me. IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING.
Floyd's debute was awesome too!! That was 68!! Sounds like it came out in 78! Way ahead of its time. Both albums really.

tbh from that year  I would rather listen to The Nice especially the track For Example. 
In The Court though was more polished , more focused and had better artwork. Fripp was no mug.
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1969's best album for me. IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING.
Floyd's debute was awesome too!! That was 68!! Sounds like it came out in 78! Way ahead of its time. Both albums really.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2013 at 11:09
Originally posted by Prog_Traveller

There's a lot listed above. Most listed you seem to think aren't prog. Now I'm confused. Confused
I didn't notice/pay attention to Logan's list above (my mistake).....but yeah based on that list he provided most of the albums were not full blown prog imo , but obviously some of the things in  68 and in 69 qualify as early prog. Yes and KC were  certainly prog and to me Procol's Shine had a lot of proggy things going on and The Moodies have always been named as early prog also,  though to me much of it is simply not very proggy by later standards.
But yeah.....there were definitely some 'proggy' albums in those early days.
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There's a lot listed above. Most listed you seem to think aren't prog. Now I'm confused. Confused
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2013 at 10:58
Originally posted by Prog_Traveller

Originally posted by dr wu23

Originally posted by earlyprog

How do you define "prog album"?

Few or none of the albums listed so far are prog from start to finish.

Someone claimed the Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane single is prog while it's only 50% prog at max.

You will find many proto prog albums but not prog albums from the 60's.
 
And I totally agree....many/most of those listed above are not full blown prog imho but proto prog or even psych pop/rock.
 


Ok, now you're the second person to make this kind of statement without telling us what albums mentioned so far(or not listed for that matter)you consider to be "full blown prog." Please don't leave us in suspense. Smile
Pick any of the ones listed above......
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast

Past Is A Different Country I Don't Live There Anymore
Tell it to Ritchie Blackmore LOL
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Everything turns into the past by the time it gets to you anyway though. It's all in the past unless it's an album you are currently recording at this very second. :D
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Slartibartfast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2013 at 18:19
You know those albums are nice and everything.  I enjoy them occasionally.  I much prefer to live in and enjoy the present. 

Edited by Slartibartfast - November 16 2013 at 19:10
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Originally posted by dr wu23

Originally posted by earlyprog

How do you define "prog album"?

Few or none of the albums listed so far are prog from start to finish.

Someone claimed the Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane single is prog while it's only 50% prog at max.

You will find many proto prog albums but not prog albums from the 60's.
 
And I totally agree....many/most of those listed above are not full blown prog imho but proto prog or even psych pop/rock.
 


Ok, now you're the second person to make this kind of statement without telling us what albums mentioned so far(or not listed for that matter)you consider to be "full blown prog." Please don't leave us in suspense. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2013 at 14:18
Originally posted by lazland

Sigh......here we go again with the first prog album debate, something which, in truth, has been worn to death, surely?Ouch

According to this grand site, it was, of course, a Miles Davis album from 1940-odd. Nonsense, but it is here.

However, seriously, when will people come to the realisation that there was no definitive first prog album? Progressive rock evolved from a whole host of influences and artists messing about.

If you have a difficulty with that, compare it to evolution in the animal kingdom. Can anyone state when the first cognitive human lived, where, and what he first said? No. He/she was the result of evolution, which developed over a number of years and different human geno types.

I know it is not the best analogy, but it is the only one I can think of this evening.

The point I am making is that you can point to a number of 1960's albums and say......that sounds like prog! The artists themselves never described it as such, because the phrase was not invented as a specific rock genre until the early 1970's. What the artists did was experiment and evolve. The end product of that was progressive rock.

It will never be possible to define the first prog rock album. Why do we keep on (and on...and on....and on...) trying to do so?

 
Sounds about right......it's next to impossible to say which was first since it's subjective and many bands were doing similar things at the same time.
I started a 'your favorite proto prog album' thread about 6 months ago and it soon moved into an argument about what is proto prog vs real prog and which albums are really proto prog.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2013 at 14:12
Originally posted by earlyprog

How do you define "prog album"?

Few or none of the albums listed so far are prog from start to finish.

Someone claimed the Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane single is prog while it's only 50% prog at max.

You will find many proto prog albums but not prog albums from the 60's.
 
And I totally agree....many/most of those listed above are not full blown prog imho but proto prog or even psych pop/rock.
 
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Originally posted by Prog_Traveller


Originally posted by Tom Ozric

The debut album from 'Skin Alley'......
It only qualifies for this thread if it was recorded in the sixties. According to this site and one other it came out in 1970. I don't know when it was actually recorded though.
Well, several years back I bought the re-issue Akarma vinyl and it states on the back cover P1969 & C2003, so I assumed it was from 1969. It could be like Atomic Rooster's debut and VDGG's 'Least We Can Do...' in that it may have been recorded late '69.
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Just to add a little soupcon... while once admiring the Asia Live in Tokyo DVD John Wetton mentioned "something from 1967" before Asia then covered ITCOTCK. I think JW (Family) might've known RF (GG and F) before said RF formed KC. Perhaps (it may be widely known, I only recently leaned) that ITCOTCK might've been in the works since 1967. It doesn't make it the first just the first absolute genre classic. But the notion of the music being writen c. 1967 just underlies the school of thought of structuring experimental rock / classical ideas. A similar one is PF sketching out ASOS apparently "alienating" producer Norman Smith with this radical idea.

Any other radical ideas out there now?

Oh, the Asia thing is not that new, Wetton covered it with Hackett (still no direct involvement with the original) so it's a mere tribute. Unless... he was perhaps peripherally involved way back when.

P.S. As no one can agree as to the first...  what was the second prog rock album? Wink

NP: Miles at the Blackhawk Vol. 1 (great...)


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^^^Now THAT is the Masterlist! Wow...The Zombies are the first album listed? Anyone familiar with the album? I only know "She's Not There" because Santana covered it.

Somewhat...saying The Zombies are progressive rock is beyond a stretch, though.  Really cool band, but c'mon.

Presumably only mentioned because Rod Argent was involved I guess


To be fair "Odessey and Oracle" is an album that definitely has elements of prog that was to occur just a little later. Listen to that album before you guys say they weren't prog. If people on here can mention things like Vanilla Fudge and the Electric Prunes then trust me the Zombies can be tossed in that mix too if only for the O&O album. However, even some of their early singles(not so much the ones that were hits)had some minor keys on them and were a bit different from what other bands were doing.
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Originally posted by Padraic

Originally posted by verslibre

^^^Now THAT is the Masterlist! Wow...The Zombies are the first album listed? Anyone familiar with the album? I only know "She's Not There" because Santana covered it.

Somewhat...saying The Zombies are progressive rock is beyond a stretch, though.  Really cool band, but c'mon.

Presumably only mentioned because Rod Argent was involved I guess
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric

The debut album from 'Skin Alley'......


It only qualifies for this thread if it was recorded in the sixties. According to this site and one other it came out in 1970. I don't know when it was actually recorded though.
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The debut album from 'Skin Alley'......
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