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Prog_Traveller
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Topic: Prog albums recorded in the sixties Posted: November 14 2013 at 22:43 |
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A lot but not all prog fans seem to think that King Crimson's debut album "in the court of the Crimson King" was the first "true" prog album(as in not proto prog). I do believe there are some other contenders out there though or maybe albums released at the same time or a few months later. So what I want to know is what other prog albums were recorded before the end of the sixties. They can be released later just as long as they were recorded before 1970.
I have a few in mind but I'll chime in later. |
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The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack by The Nice came out in '67.
The self-titled by Touch came out in '68. The self-titled by Renaissance and Ad Gloriam by Le Orme came out in '69. Atomic Rooster comes to mind but their self-titled came out in '70. Ditto for Hawkwind. |
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Prog_Traveller
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Recording for Atomic Rooster's debut album began in December of 69(according to wikipedia it was recorded in Dec and Jan)so it qualifies. :) The first Hawkwind album was recorded in April of 70(when I was born ). Good call on Renaissance though.
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The Cheerful Insanity of Giles, Giles, and Fripp
Several Miles Davis albums (if we're counting Fusion) The Beatles (if they count) Jethro Tull--This Was, Stand Up Van Der Graaf Generator--The Aerosol Grey Machine Pink Floyd--The Piper at the Gates of Dawn, A Saucerful of Secrets, More, Ummagumma Frank Zappa--Freak Out!, Absolutely Free, Lumpy Gravy, We're Only in it For the Money, Uncle Meat, Hot Rats
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Prog_Traveller
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Tangerine Dream-Electronic Meditation (recorded in October 1969)
Frank Zappa-Hot Rats(released in October 1969(same day as ITCOTCK actually) " " -Uncle Meat (also released in 69) Van der Graaf Generator-The least we can do is wave to eachother (recorded in Dec. of 1969) Pink Floyd-More (released in June of 1969) Probably a bunch of English proto bands also recorded in 69 but not released until 1970 but I'm not sure. Edited by Prog_Traveller - November 14 2013 at 23:38 |
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Moody Blues - Days Of Future Passed
Caravan debut Doors - Waiting for the sun Kaleidoscope - Tangerine Dream Procol Harum - A Whiter Shade of Pale Other 60s bands and artists: Pearls before Swine - Pretty Things - Ron Geesin - Stormy Six
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I believe the Beatles Strawberry Fields/Penny Lane single was the first prog release in mid Feb 1967 so my list begins there:
1967 Beatles : Strawberry Fields/Penny Lane (single), Sgt Peppers, Magical Mystery Tour (US album) Pink Floyd : Piper at the Gates of Dawn Doors : Strange Days Procol Harum : A Whiter Shade of Pale Rolling Stones : Satanic Majesties Request 1968 Beatles : White Album Pink Floyd : A Saucerful of Secrets Procol Harum : Shine On Brightly Simon & Garfunkel : Bookends Soft Machine : Vol 1 Zappa/Mothers : We're Only in it for the Money 1969 Beatles : Abbey Road Syd Barrett : The Madcap Laughs King Crimson : ITCOTCK Grateful Dead : AOXOMOXOA Juniors Eyes : Battersea Power Station Pink Floyd : Ummagumma Procol Harum : A Salty Dog Renaissance : s/t Soft Machine : Vol 2 Jethro Tull : Stand Up Van Der Graaf Generator : Aerosol Grey Machine
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The Nice - Ars Longa Vita Brevis was recorded and released in November 1968 in the same week as Procal Harum - Shine On Brightly. Both featured a side long peice of music.
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This thread again >.<
Lurker post.
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How do you define "prog album"?
Few or none of the albums listed so far are prog from start to finish. Someone claimed the Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane single is prog while it's only 50% prog at max. You will find many proto prog albums but not prog albums from the 60's.
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The Electric Prunes "Mass in F Minor."
"Release of an Oath" Both in 1968.
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What do you mean again? Was there another one? If so can you direct me to it? |
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So what prog albums(if any)do you think were recorded in the sixties? |
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Logan
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Whether one agrees with it or not... According to a wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_progressive_rock_(1960–69)
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Albums---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would mention Phallus Day by Amon Dull II, Can's Monster Movie, The Advancement's self-titled, Arzachel's self-titled, David Axelrod's Song of Innocence and Songs of Experience, the Pink Floyd albums, the Van der Graaf Generator one, COlloseum's Valentyne Suite, Zappa's Absolutely Free and Hot Rats, The Soft Machine albums, especially Volume II, Captain Beefheart albums, The United States of America album the Catherine Ribeiro + 2bis album, and I would mention Fifty Hose's Caudron and I know that I'm almost alone in this, but I consider Cream to have a been a sort of Prog band with Wheels of Fire and Disraeli Gears to an extent.. I know I have a lot more in my collection from the 60s that I consider on the prog-side, but then I tend not to use the prog designation for a lot of my music.. I could even mention various Ennio Morricone albums, but I think a lot can depend upon how loosely one uses the term Prog.... Edited by Logan - November 15 2013 at 11:58 |
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^^^Now THAT is the Masterlist! Wow...The Zombies are the first album listed? Anyone familiar with the album? I only know "She's Not There" because Santana covered it.
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The Advancments? Do you mean The Advancement who were a US band who released one album in 1968? It's pretty obscure apparently.
Anyway, a lot of the above albums you mentioned could be considered psychedelic(maybe not all though). However, here's how I look at it. First off I don't really buy into the term "proto prog" too much although it is worth mentioning and it does have it's purpose and can even be helpful at times. However, something is either progressive or it isn't. If people want to say the first proggy prog rock album was King Crimson's debut fine they can think what they want. However, the rock based music of the sixties that was not deliberately trippy or psychedelic and had structure and diverse instrumentation was progressive no matter how you want to look at it. One album that hasn't been mentioned yet(although it is on that wikipedia list) is Family's "music in a doll's house." There's mellotron, saxophones and violins on there. Sorry but I can't think of too many psychedelic bands with saxophones. It might not have been prog in the same way as YES and Genesis and maybe it was proto compared to what came later but it was still progressive and progressive plus rock equals progressive rock in my book. Obviously it wasn't the only album to be progressive back then though. Edited by Prog_Traveller - November 15 2013 at 12:27 |
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I'm pleased to see Eric Burdon/Animals' "The Twain Shall Meet" on that
Wikipedia timeline. Quite a progressive album for its time, that
doesn't get a lot of attention. Though it does walk the tightrope
between "progress" and "acid-inspired experimental overkill", but that's
the price you pay for progress I guess.
I don't know how the heck the Zombies' "She's Not There" single made that list. Because it has organ? |
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Probably because it has organ, but why didn't this make it?
Guess she doesn't really rock. ^^ Yes, instead of writing the Advancement's self-titled, I should have said sole album to be clearer. It's pretty obscure -- I discovered the LP selling at a neat collector's site some years ago, and then recommended it for PA inclusion. I actually think that there is a ton of fairly underground/ obscure music that could fit the Prog mold -- and didn't really influence the big names (part of it depends upon whether one considers Prog to be a movement, a genre, or more of an approach to making music). Popular enough to have 60 ratings at rateyourmusic, though. Some of the album, especially the longest track I think of as full blown prog; whereas other stuff is more groovy psychadelia (quite an eclectic mix which is what makes it as partiaulr proggy to my ears). Family's album is a good call, by the way, meant to mention that one myself.
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Somewhat...saying The Zombies are progressive rock is beyond a stretch, though. Really cool band, but c'mon.
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Frank Zappa's albums Weasels Ripped My Flesh (recorded in several sessions during late '60's) en Burnt Weeny Sandwich (recorded around the time of the Hot Rats sessions) should be mentioned too.
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