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    Posted: November 14 2013 at 22:43
A lot but not all prog fans seem to think that King Crimson's debut album "in the court of the Crimson King" was the first "true" prog album(as in not proto prog). I do believe there are some other contenders out there though or maybe albums released at the same time or a few months later. So what I want to know is what other prog albums were recorded before the end of the sixties. They can be released later just as long as they were recorded before 1970.

I have a few in mind but I'll chime in later. Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2013 at 22:50
The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack by The Nice came out in '67.
The self-titled by Touch came out in '68.
The self-titled by Renaissance and Ad Gloriam by Le Orme came out in '69.

Atomic Rooster comes to mind but their self-titled came out in '70. Ditto for Hawkwind.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Prog_Traveller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2013 at 22:57
Recording for Atomic Rooster's debut album began in December of 69(according to wikipedia it was recorded in Dec and Jan)so it qualifies. :) The first Hawkwind album was recorded in April of 70(when I was born Smile). Good call on Renaissance though.


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The Cheerful Insanity of Giles, Giles, and Fripp
Several Miles Davis albums (if we're counting Fusion)
The Beatles (if they count)
Jethro Tull--This Was, Stand Up
Van Der Graaf Generator--The Aerosol Grey Machine
Pink Floyd--The Piper at the Gates of Dawn, A Saucerful of Secrets, More, Ummagumma
Frank Zappa--Freak Out!, Absolutely Free, Lumpy Gravy, We're Only in it For the Money, Uncle Meat, Hot Rats


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Prog_Traveller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2013 at 23:37
Tangerine Dream-Electronic Meditation (recorded in October 1969)
Frank Zappa-Hot Rats(released in October 1969(same day as ITCOTCK actually)
"             "        -Uncle Meat (also released in 69)
Van der Graaf Generator-The least we can do is wave to eachother (recorded in Dec. of 1969)
Pink Floyd-More (released in June of 1969)

Probably a bunch of English proto bands also recorded in 69 but not released until 1970 but I'm not sure.


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Moody Blues - Days Of Future Passed
Caravan debut
Doors - Waiting for the sun
Kaleidoscope - Tangerine Dream
Procol Harum - A Whiter Shade of Pale

Other 60s bands and artists: Pearls before Swine - Pretty Things - Ron Geesin - Stormy Six
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I believe the Beatles Strawberry Fields/Penny Lane single was the first prog release in mid Feb 1967 so my list begins there:

1967
Beatles : Strawberry Fields/Penny Lane (single), Sgt Peppers, Magical Mystery Tour (US album)
Pink Floyd : Piper at the Gates of Dawn
Doors : Strange Days
Procol Harum : A Whiter Shade of Pale
Rolling Stones : Satanic Majesties Request

1968
Beatles : White Album
Pink Floyd : A Saucerful of Secrets
Procol Harum : Shine On Brightly
Simon & Garfunkel : Bookends
Soft Machine : Vol 1
Zappa/Mothers : We're Only in it for the Money

1969
Beatles : Abbey Road
Syd Barrett : The Madcap Laughs
King Crimson : ITCOTCK
Grateful Dead : AOXOMOXOA
Juniors Eyes : Battersea Power Station
Pink Floyd : Ummagumma
Procol Harum : A Salty Dog
Renaissance : s/t
Soft Machine : Vol 2
Jethro Tull : Stand Up
Van Der Graaf Generator : Aerosol Grey Machine
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Post Options Post Options   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2013 at 01:00
The Nice - Ars Longa Vita Brevis was recorded and released in November 1968 in the same week as Procal Harum - Shine On Brightly. Both featured a side long peice of music.
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This thread again >.<

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How do you define "prog album"?

Few or none of the albums listed so far are prog from start to finish.

Someone claimed the Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane single is prog while it's only 50% prog at max.

You will find many proto prog albums but not prog albums from the 60's.
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The Electric Prunes "Mass in F Minor."
"Release of an Oath"
Both in 1968.  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Prog_Traveller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2013 at 11:15
Originally posted by Wafflesyrup

This thread again >.<

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What do you mean again? Was there another one? If so can you direct me to it? Wink
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Originally posted by earlyprog

How do you define "prog album"?

Few or none of the albums listed so far are prog from start to finish.

Someone claimed the Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane single is prog while it's only 50% prog at max.

You will find many proto prog albums but not prog albums from the 60's.



So what prog albums(if any)do you think were recorded in the sixties?
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Whether one agrees with it or not... According to a wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_progressive_rock_(1960–69)

Release Date Artist Album Country
June 1964 The Zombies She's Not There England
October 1964 The Moody Blues Go Now England
May 1966 The Beach Boys Pet Sounds USA
27 June 1966 Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention Freak Out! USA
October 1966 The Beach Boys Good Vibrations USA
March 1967 The Velvet Underground The Velvet Underground & Nico USA
May 1967 Procol Harum Whiter Shade of Pale England
26 May 1967 Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention Absolutely Free USA
1967 Jun Procol Harum Procol Harum England
5 August 1967 Pink Floyd The Piper at the Gates of Dawn England
1967 Sep Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band Safe as Milk USA
11 November 1967 The Moody Blues Days of Future Passed England
1967 Dec The Nice The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack England
1967 Late Frank Zappa Lumpy Gravy - On Capitol, but pulled quickly because of threatened legal action by MGM. Popularly released by MGM/Verve on 13 May 1968. [1] USA

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Release date Artist Album Country
4 March 1968 Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention We're Only in It for the Money USA
6 March 1968 The United States of America The United States of America USA
1968 Mar Eric Burdon & The Animals The Twain Shall Meet England
13 May 1968 Frank Zappa Lumpy Gravy - An original rare release appeared in late 1967 on Capitol, but was pulled quickly because of threatened legal action by MGM. This MGM/Verve release was the first popularly available version. [2] USA
29 June 1968 Pink Floyd A Saucerful of Secrets England
1968 Jul Family Music in a Doll's House England
26 July 1968 The Moody Blues In Search of the Lost Chord England
1968 Sep Giles, Giles and Fripp The Cheerful Insanity of Giles, Giles and Fripp England
1968 Oct Caravan Caravan England
25 October 1968 Jethro Tull This Was England
1968 Nov The Nice Ars Longa Vita Brevis England
1968 Dec The Pretty Things S.F. Sorrow England
1968 Dec The Soft Machine The Soft Machine - the original album was only available in USA, an import in the UK; later re-issued as Volume One. England
1968 Dec Procol Harum Shine on Brightly England
1968 International Harvester - originally called Pärson Sound (recordings from Pärson Sound weren't released until 2001) Sov gott Rose-Marie Sweden
1968 Touch Touch USA

Albums

Release Date Artist Album Country
7 March 1969 Genesis From Genesis to Revelation England
21 April 1969 Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention Uncle Meat USA
25 April 1969 The Moody Blues On the Threshold of a Dream England
16 June 1969 Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band Trout Mask Replica USA
25 July 1969 Yes Yes England
27 July 1969 Pink Floyd Soundtrack from the Film More England
1 August 1969 Jethro Tull Stand Up England
26 September 1969 The Beatles Abbey Road England
1969 Sep The Nice The Nice England
1969 Sep The Soft Machine Volume Two England
1969 Sep Van der Graaf Generator The Aerosol Grey Machine England, however album was originally released only in USA
10 October 1969 King Crimson In the Court of the Crimson King England
10 October 1969 Frank Zappa Hot Rats USA
25 October 1969 Pink Floyd Ummagumma England
21 November 1969 The Moody Blues To Our Children's Children's Children England
1969 Dec Fairport Convention Liege & Lief England
1969 Dec Renaissance Renaissance England
1969 Amon Düül II Phallus Dei Germany
1969 East of Eden Mercator Projected England
1969 It's a Beautiful Day It's a Beautiful Day USA
1969 Wigwam Hard 'n' Horny Finland
1969 Catherine Ribeiro + 2Bis Catherine Ribeiro + 2Bis France

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I would mention Phallus Day by Amon Dull II, Can's Monster Movie, The Advancement's self-titled, Arzachel's self-titled, David Axelrod's Song of Innocence and Songs of Experience, the Pink Floyd albums, the Van der Graaf Generator one, COlloseum's Valentyne Suite, Zappa's Absolutely Free and  Hot Rats, The Soft Machine albums, especially Volume II, Captain Beefheart albums, The United States of America album the Catherine Ribeiro + 2bis album, and I would mention  Fifty Hose's Caudron and I  know that I'm almost alone in this, but I consider Cream to have a been a  sort of Prog band with Wheels of Fire and Disraeli Gears to an extent.. I know I have a lot more in my collection from the 60s that I consider on the prog-side, but then I tend not to use the prog designation for a lot of my music..  I could even mention various Ennio Morricone albums, but I think a lot can depend upon how loosely one uses the term Prog....


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^^^Now THAT is the Masterlist! Wow...The Zombies are the first album listed? Anyone familiar with the album? I only know "She's Not There" because Santana covered it.
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The Advancments? Do you mean The Advancement who were a US band who released one album in 1968? It's pretty obscure apparently.

Anyway, a lot of the above albums you mentioned could be considered psychedelic(maybe not all though). However, here's how I look at it. First off I don't really buy into the term "proto prog" too much although it is worth mentioning and it does have it's purpose and can even be helpful at times. However, something is either progressive or it isn't. If people want to say the first proggy prog rock album was King Crimson's debut fine they can think what they want. However, the rock based music of the sixties that was not deliberately trippy or psychedelic and had structure and diverse instrumentation was progressive no matter how you want to look at it. One album that hasn't been mentioned yet(although it is on that wikipedia list) is Family's "music in a doll's house." There's mellotron, saxophones and violins on there. Sorry but I can't think of too many psychedelic bands with saxophones. Smile It might not have been prog in the same way as YES and Genesis and maybe it was proto compared to what came later but it was still progressive and progressive plus rock equals progressive rock in my book. Obviously it wasn't the only album to be progressive back then though.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote HolyMoly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2013 at 12:24
I'm pleased to see  Eric Burdon/Animals' "The Twain Shall Meet" on that Wikipedia timeline.  Quite a progressive album for its time, that doesn't get a lot of attention.  Though it does walk the tightrope between "progress" and "acid-inspired experimental overkill", but that's the price you pay for progress I guess.

I don't know how the heck the Zombies' "She's Not There" single made that list.  Because it has organ?
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Probably because it has organ, but why didn't this make it?

  Guess she doesn't really  rock. 

^^ Yes, instead of writing the Advancement's self-titled, I should have said sole album to be clearer.  It's pretty obscure -- I discovered the LP selling at a neat collector's site some years ago, and then recommended it for PA inclusion. I actually think that there is a ton of fairly underground/ obscure music that could fit the Prog mold -- and didn't really influence the big names (part of it depends upon whether one considers Prog to be a movement, a genre, or more of  an approach to making music).  Popular enough to have 60 ratings at rateyourmusic, though. Some of the album, especially the longest track I think of as full blown prog; whereas other stuff is more groovy psychadelia (quite an eclectic mix which is what makes it as partiaulr proggy to my ears).  Family's album  is a good call, by the way, meant to mention that one myself.
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Originally posted by verslibre

^^^Now THAT is the Masterlist! Wow...The Zombies are the first album listed? Anyone familiar with the album? I only know "She's Not There" because Santana covered it.

Somewhat...saying The Zombies are progressive rock is beyond a stretch, though.  Really cool band, but c'mon.
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Frank Zappa's albums Weasels Ripped My Flesh (recorded in several sessions during late '60's) en Burnt Weeny Sandwich (recorded around the time of the Hot Rats sessions) should be mentioned too.
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