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Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

How do you define "prog album"?

Few or none of the albums listed so far are prog from start to finish.

Someone claimed the Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane single is prog while it's only 50% prog at max.

You will find many proto prog albums but not prog albums from the 60's.
 
And I totally agree....many/most of those listed above are not full blown prog imho but proto prog or even psych pop/rock.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2013 at 14:18
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Sigh......here we go again with the first prog album debate, something which, in truth, has been worn to death, surely?Ouch

According to this grand site, it was, of course, a Miles Davis album from 1940-odd. Nonsense, but it is here.

However, seriously, when will people come to the realisation that there was no definitive first prog album? Progressive rock evolved from a whole host of influences and artists messing about.

If you have a difficulty with that, compare it to evolution in the animal kingdom. Can anyone state when the first cognitive human lived, where, and what he first said? No. He/she was the result of evolution, which developed over a number of years and different human geno types.

I know it is not the best analogy, but it is the only one I can think of this evening.

The point I am making is that you can point to a number of 1960's albums and say......that sounds like prog! The artists themselves never described it as such, because the phrase was not invented as a specific rock genre until the early 1970's. What the artists did was experiment and evolve. The end product of that was progressive rock.

It will never be possible to define the first prog rock album. Why do we keep on (and on...and on....and on...) trying to do so?

 
Sounds about right......it's next to impossible to say which was first since it's subjective and many bands were doing similar things at the same time.
I started a 'your favorite proto prog album' thread about 6 months ago and it soon moved into an argument about what is proto prog vs real prog and which albums are really proto prog.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

How do you define "prog album"?

Few or none of the albums listed so far are prog from start to finish.

Someone claimed the Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane single is prog while it's only 50% prog at max.

You will find many proto prog albums but not prog albums from the 60's.
 
And I totally agree....many/most of those listed above are not full blown prog imho but proto prog or even psych pop/rock.
 


Ok, now you're the second person to make this kind of statement without telling us what albums mentioned so far(or not listed for that matter)you consider to be "full blown prog." Please don't leave us in suspense. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Slartibartfast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2013 at 18:19
You know those albums are nice and everything.  I enjoy them occasionally.  I much prefer to live in and enjoy the present. 

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Past Is A Different Country I Don't Live There Anymore
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Everything turns into the past by the time it gets to you anyway though. It's all in the past unless it's an album you are currently recording at this very second. :D
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Past Is A Different Country I Don't Live There Anymore
Tell it to Ritchie Blackmore LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2013 at 10:58
Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

How do you define "prog album"?

Few or none of the albums listed so far are prog from start to finish.

Someone claimed the Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane single is prog while it's only 50% prog at max.

You will find many proto prog albums but not prog albums from the 60's.
 
And I totally agree....many/most of those listed above are not full blown prog imho but proto prog or even psych pop/rock.
 


Ok, now you're the second person to make this kind of statement without telling us what albums mentioned so far(or not listed for that matter)you consider to be "full blown prog." Please don't leave us in suspense. Smile
Pick any of the ones listed above......
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There's a lot listed above. Most listed you seem to think aren't prog. Now I'm confused. Confused
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Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

There's a lot listed above. Most listed you seem to think aren't prog. Now I'm confused. Confused
I didn't notice/pay attention to Logan's list above (my mistake).....but yeah based on that list he provided most of the albums were not full blown prog imo , but obviously some of the things in  68 and in 69 qualify as early prog. Yes and KC were  certainly prog and to me Procol's Shine had a lot of proggy things going on and The Moodies have always been named as early prog also,  though to me much of it is simply not very proggy by later standards.
But yeah.....there were definitely some 'proggy' albums in those early days.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote progbethyname Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2013 at 13:49
1969's best album for me. IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING.
Floyd's debute was awesome too!! That was 68!! Sounds like it came out in 78! Way ahead of its time. Both albums really.
Ok. It's time. Lets get Fields Of The Nephilim on PA. They rightfully belong here.
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Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

1969's best album for me. IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING.
Floyd's debute was awesome too!! That was 68!! Sounds like it came out in 78! Way ahead of its time. Both albums really.

tbh from that year  I would rather listen to The Nice especially the track For Example. 
In The Court though was more polished , more focused and had better artwork. Fripp was no mug.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Prog_Traveller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2013 at 19:31
Actually Pink Floyd's debut was in 1967 not 68. Saucerful of secrets(their second album)was from 1968 and imo is both prog and psych at the same time. That is to say it has elements of both.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2013 at 01:44
Chicago debut album 'Chicago Transit Authority' shouldn't be ignored either although it does require a looser definition of prog to be applied perhaps.
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