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    Posted: November 16 2013 at 23:06
Originally posted by Neo-Romantic

I feel like VDGG would fit into this category as well. In their heyday, they only had widespread acclaim in Italy, from what I've heard (correct me f I'm wrong on this). Progheads I know who don't frequent this site are significantly less likely to have heard of them than their 70s contemporaries. But if you look at the number of prog groups and individual musicians who were influenced by that group and Peter Hammill in particular, the lasting influence is undeniable.

Good call.  Interesting example, when Marillion 1st appeared on the scene the press assumed Fish was influenced by Gabriel because of the makeup but he actually admitted Peter Hammill was his biggest influence Wink
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Originally posted by npjnpj

Lou Reed?
yeah except he's really popular
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Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

Originally posted by Neo-Romantic

I feel like VDGG would fit into this category as well. In their heyday, they only had widespread acclaim in Italy, from what I've heard (correct me f I'm wrong on this). Progheads I know who don't frequent this site are significantly less likely to have heard of them than their 70s contemporaries. But if you look at the number of prog groups and individual musicians who were influenced by that group and Peter Hammill in particular, the lasting influence is undeniable.

Good call.  Interesting example, when Marillion 1st appeared on the scene the press assumed Fish was influenced by Gabriel because of the makeup but he actually admitted Peter Hammill was his biggest influence Wink

Thank you sir Handshake

And that definitely gives me some major incentive to check out Marillion. Gosh, I'm behind LOL

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Originally posted by paganinio

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I think they're about the only historically important Krautrock group who don't qualify. Well, maybe among people who only listen to newer music, but don't almost everyone who's serious about music admit KW are one of the most influential music groups of the past 40 years?

Now, a band like Hawkwind or Van der Graaf Generator whom others mentioned... that's more like it. Neither has become more than a cult band and still had most of their influence on scenes that didn't exist until long after either group's agreed "golden age". HW in particular seem to have inspired punk more than anything overtly prog/psych, until the jam band revival and stoner rock movements of the 1990s which were often strongly indebted to the Hawks.

By the way I can't believe I haven't mentioned 13th Floor Elevators or Roky Erickson in general for that matter. I think 13FE were the first music group to call their own output "psychedelic rock". They clearly influenced The Doors, Jefferson Airplane and Pink Floyd but never became anywhere as popular.
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Arthur Brown, he influenced Alice Cooper and Peter Gabriel to do theatrics on stage, there have a foot in the invention of shock rock,
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Someone will mention Clouds and Billy Ritchie so it might as well be meTongue

Tangerine dream were very popular in the seventies and were still charting in the UK up to 1984 so I'm not sure how they could be considered not popular although they were certainly influential.


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Many fans of electronic music I've met can't get into TD because their music is either too closely rooted in progressive/psychedelic rock and 20th century classical, or too technologically primitive.
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Gentle f++++++ Giant . Talk about deathly underrated

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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112

Gentle f++++++ Giant . Talk about deathly underrated
maybe, but not influential either.


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Gentle f++++++ Giant . Talk about deathly underrated

maybe, but not influential either.

If they are not influential. Its a damn shame!!
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112

Originally posted by Dean

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Gentle f++++++ Giant . Talk about deathly underrated

maybe, but not influential either.

If they are not influential. Its a damn shame!!
probably, Derek Shulman on the otherhand was, and still is, very influential in the music industry.


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Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112

Gentle f++++++ Giant . Talk about deathly underrated
maybe, but not influential either.
Yet one reads where bands claim influence from them...and Haken ( as well as other bands like Spocks Beard when Morse was with them) have used their vocal multiple part vocal  acapella things on the new one.
maybe not a huge influence but influence nevertheless.
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Originally posted by npjnpj

Lou Reed?
yeah except he's really popular


The Velvet Underground are perhaps the ultimate "artists who are more influential than popular". Every kid who ever went to see a gig with The Velvets later on formed his/her own band, or so the legend goes. I do think there's some truth in that statement though...
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I think KC is the perfect example; hugely influential yet the masses don't get a chance to hear their brilliance. The same goes for Peter Hammill!!
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Some bands and artists that have been influenced by Gentle Giant are Neal Morse, Spock's Beard, Echolyn, Beardfish and Haken.
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Originally posted by Progosopher

I quite agree with this.      I saw him perform once as part of B.B. King's Festival of Music, which most people thought of as a festival of Blues. B.B. himself kept making reference to "the great Jeff Beck." Jimi Hendrix could also fall into this category - extremely well known but his record sales were never on par with his notoriety and influence.
 
Bzuh? You are completely misinformed on Hendrix.
 
His three original studio albums, the Smash Hits greatest hits package and the live Band of Gypsys were all in the top ten in both the UK and the States during their original releases (Electric Ladyland was a #1 album for a couple weeks in 1968), and all have since gone multiple platinum. His post-humous rereleases have also sold extremely well; in fact the latest People, Hell and Angels went to #2 on the Billboard charts in 2012. Hendrix was not only influential, but a rock superstar during his short life.


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Of course it all depends on what we call "popular" and "influential". King Crimson are relatively popular even if they never achieved platinum status. I could think of Nick Drake, who died without knowing success but influenced much more known artists such as Kate Bush, Robert Smith or even Mikael Akerfeldt. Five leaves left is a really beautiful album, quite progressive in its own way. 
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I'd toss Blue Oyster Cult into this mix too. I don't really know how popular they ever became, but I'm under the impression that their popularity was small and brief. However, they've certainly had plenty of influences inside and outside the prog world.
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Originally posted by Metalmarsh89

I'd toss Blue Oyster Cult into this mix too. I don't really know how popular they ever became, but I'm under the impression that their popularity was small and brief. However, they've certainly had plenty of influences inside and outside the prog world.

Blue Oyster Cult became huge in the US after "Don't Fear the Reaper" and were playing the mega-stadium concert circuit circa 1978.  Before that, I'd say they were bigger than a cult following though rarely heard on radio.  When MTV hit they got some decent video play with "Burning for You" but I don't think they ever recaptured the huge audience that came to them because of Reaper...
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