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    Posted: July 22 2014 at 19:38
Hello vinyl/analog junkies.

I know I really don't have to post or justify my findings with all of you cause YOU ALL pretty much know how superior Analog is to digital for most music listening experiences, but I do want to share some findings that some might find interesting. ;)
I bought the new Jethro Tull Passion Play cd/DVD boxset with the new Steven Wilson sound mixes included. In total there are 5 different sound mixes/bit depths to choose from.
1) 24/96k DTS surround
2) Dolby Digital AC3 surround
3) 24/96 LPCM
4) Original Album mix (transferred flat 24/96 LPCM
5) standard red book 16/44k

Ok. So here is my point. I did some intense A and B'ing. I played all of these audio formats through my HIFI headphones and of course ran all of these audio formats through my DAC. My DAC can accept all of these audio conversions because my blu-ray player has the option to take the PCM Downmix and add digital surround sound conversion, so my DAC can read the signal accurately. Anyway. My findings are simple. Analog is far superior to digital surround even through headphones.
Here are the differences or my findings. (Pros/cons)

Analog.
1) vocals are pushed forward with a more accurate tone and clarity in the overall soundstage.
2) Instruments sound real!!! Drums, flutes, saxaphones etc all have a far richer tonality.
3) The Bass!!! More punchy, vibrant and clear sounding. You can really feel the warm vibration from the instrument itself.
Cons--None

Digital surround. (DTS/Dolby Digital)

Pros.

Major sound separation. The soundstage is channeled off to give the listener a very immersive experience. You get hit with sound from every possible direction with a high degree of accuracy. However, unfortunately this is the only pro that reigns over Analog.
CONS.
Soundstage may sound ultra clear, but it sounds ultra fake!! Quite simply the instruments don't sound real at all. Their tones are compressed mainly cause the resolution or bit depth is running at a much higher rate.
2) Vocals. The sibilance is so out of wack. It sounds harsh and very piercing. Upon listening to say 'overseer overture' my ears were in pain when Anderson sings his vocal parts.
3) The Treble. Where's the warmth? It's so robotic sounding and once again very piercing.

So these are my findings. I should note I used all high end audio equipment to run this test. Analog reigns supreme to my ears. It's accurate, warm and inviting to what the original recoding or pressing has to offer, so to all of you vinyl appreciators out there I say KEEP YOUR RECORDS! But again, most of you already know this but I thought I would share my findings because there really is a night and day difference. I'm just thankful that I'm listening to music the way it was intended from the artists vision/sound reproduction.

I Also wanna say I did one more A/B test. Now I'm mentioning this because I know vinyl records are quite expensive nowadays, but there is an alternative to make your CDs sound like a vinyl record. Investing in a high end DAC and amplifier for your headphones or speakers will make your CDs sound like 180g vinyl pressing. It is very accurate if you get the right gear of course. Long story short. I couldn't hear a difference. A slight bit of crackling hear and there from the record, but that's probably because his player isn't crazy high end like yours CATCHER 10. :)

Anyway. It was a lot of fun conducting these tests and after careful listening I can honestly say I'm pro ANALOG.
Digital technologies still have their place, especially for movie watching and some music concert DVDs, but as far as straight listening goes Analog really kicks the pants out of digital.

Happy listening.
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Nice review Nick! I don't have the ability to play/hear 5.1/DTS so on as my BRP is upstairs and 100% used for watching BR movies.

I am interested in the vinyl issue of A Passion Play, since pretty much all SW has remixed is amazing!

In the box set it does specify that SW remixed from the original analog tapes?
      
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Originally posted by Catcher10

Nice review Nick! I don't have the ability to play/hear 5.1/DTS so on as my BRP is upstairs and 100% used for watching BR movies.

I am interested in the vinyl issue of A Passion Play, since pretty much all SW has remixed is amazing!

In the box set it does specify that SW remixed from the original analog tapes?


Thanks Catch!!

I feel fortunate to have been able to get a better understanding of the main differences. I owe everything to my new rig for that. :)
The Tull boxset is literally an audiophile wet dream. You can't ask for more, and to answer your question the 16 track analog tapes were procured with ease and Wilson even included the original 1973 mix in all its authentication. Tape hiss included, but the to tonality of the instruments is so warm and real it blows my mind. It's my favourite mix, especially since it was done in a FLAT EQ transfer. Wilson is a pretty good engineer. I've got a huge amount of respect for him and I love how he is restoring all these classic albums with the good intention of staying true to the original pressing.
He is definitely along with Alan Parsons, as one of the best in the business.
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Thanks......I do plan to purchase it. My list is getting too long, ughhh!
But its vinyl!!!
      
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Amazing, is what first came to my mind....I never had the original 1994 vinyl single LP issue.
This full length dbl vinyl is glorious, as you can see from the picture it is a high quality high gloss finish gatefold, even the sleeves are high gloss finish.
The decay of Gilmour's vocals are soooo nice and Mason's drumming is excellent, no need to discuss the guitar playing...and Wright is perfect.
This mix from original analogue tapes is an amazing tribute to the sound of Pink Floyd on vinyl, wonderful sound and Marooned is glorious!

      
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