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    Posted: August 05 2005 at 06:49
Are there any fascist prog bands out there?  I'm thinking that perhaps Germany or Italy may have contributed a few bands of this nature.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 07:00
As far as I know, no - and neither Italy nor Germany have the monopoly on extreme right-wing movements. I'm from Italy myself, and while there might have been (or still be) some less known right-wing bands, the best-known ones had nothing to do with politics at all, or were rather on the opposite side (as is the case of Area).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 07:03

Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

As far as I know, no - and neither Italy nor Germany have the monopoly on extreme right-wing movements. I'm from Italy myself, and while there might have been (or still be) some less known right-wing bands, the best-known ones had nothing to do with politics at all, or were rather on the opposite side (as is the case of Area).

Area, are they a communist prog band then?  if they're the opposite side to fascism.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 07:15
prog orientated bands from germany are usually of a
left-field attitude ... surpise, surprise, eh? now, get
back behind your 'daily mirror' or 'sun' and STOP
PICKING ON US!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 07:19

Originally posted by iguana iguana wrote:

prog orientated bands from germany are usually of a
left-field attitude ... surpise, surprise, eh? now, get
back behind your 'daily mirror' or 'sun' and STOP
PICKING ON US!!!!

perhaps this is in response to the type of government the country has had in the past?  i.e. germany/fascist, so it produces more socialist/left-wing style bands.  Likewise with Italy.  I wonder if Russia has produced a lot of fascist bands.

actually, I prefer Die Welt.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 07:24

This sort of provides evidence to my statement above:

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Geyer Symphonie might not be for everyone, but it is an interesting find if you take it more as humor rather than a serious political statement. Apparently, these guys were a pro-Communist band in the 70s, and this album is full of spoken-word socialist propaganda(in German). The music, while never complex, seems influenced by Frank Zappa's cut-and-paste style featured on early-Mothers Of Invention albums. The passages are quick and vary from traditional German folk to bluegrass to krautrock(they play many styles in a quirky way). Musically, these guys don't take themselves seriously, but when the narration begins the atmosphere takes a serious tone. This is a great album to put on after Faust's The Faust Tapes, or Can's Tago Mago. Geyer Symphonie is just one of those weird albums!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 07:32
Originally posted by spectral spectral wrote:

Originally posted by iguana iguana wrote:

prog orientated bands from germany are usually of a
left-field attitude ... surpise, surprise, eh? now, get
back behind your 'daily mirror' or 'sun' and STOP
PICKING ON US!!!!

perhaps this is in response to the type of government the country has had in the past?  i.e. germany/fascist, so it produces more socialist/left-wing style bands.  Likewise with Italy.  I wonder if Russia has produced a lot of fascist bands.

actually, I prefer Die Welt.

 

 

Spectral Don't be an asshole! The place with the most fascist groups would be where hooliganism was born.  Skinheads first appeared in the UK!

Italy and Germany prog groups were very-left wing!

Not even going to check out your other two threads!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 07:35
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Spectral Don't be an asshole! The place with the most fascist groups would be where hooliganism was born.  Skinheads first appeared in the UK!

Italy and Germany prog groups were very-left wing!

Not even going to check out your other two threads!

The UK has never had a fascist government. 

I'm being obtuse, but I'm also trying to make the point that prog bands may have surfaced with a polarised political view of their current govt.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 07:41
The NME once called Rush fascist,when it dallied with Ayn Rand's half-baked philosophies.They even went as far as to call them "a danger to our nation's youth."
At that time being called a "fascist" and "Nazi" were often interchangeable.This was very upsetting for Geddy Lee who is Jewish.
I think part of the reason Rush shyed away from their long epic tracks and concepts was because of the stigma of 2112 and to some extent "Hemispheres" being associated with Randean philosophy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 07:45
The Trees seems to be an anti communist song. Being anti Communist doesn't make you fascist though does it. I always despised the hip and trendy NME anyway!!
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

The Trees seems to be an anti communist song. Being anti Communist doesn't make you fascist though does it. I always despised the hip and trendy NME anyway!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 08:22

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

The Trees seems to be an anti communist song. Being anti Communist doesn't make you fascist though does it. I always despised the hip and trendy NME anyway!!

I read The Trees as the American Oaks taking all of the sunlight away from the Canadian Maples , something a lot of Torontonians (which I was in the 70's and 80's) felt the same.

Not really about opression or repression , but a feeling of being suffocated by a huge neighbor, who was never really asking if those missiles and jets (flying the polar route to Russia) bothered the Canadians. Just an example among hundreds.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 08:25
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

The Trees seems to be an anti communist song. Being anti Communist doesn't make you fascist though does it. I always despised the hip and trendy NME anyway!!

I read The Trees as the American Oaks taking all of the sunlight away from the Canadian Maples , something a lot of Torontonians (which I was in the 70's and 80's) felt the same.

Not really about opression or repression , but a feeling of being suffocated by a huge neighbor, who was never really asking if those missiles and jets (flying the polar route to Russia) bothered the Canadians. Just an example among hundreds.

Either that or it was written out of Peart's guilt for doing exactly the equivalent to John Rustey drumming wise

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 08:26

Originally posted by Infinity Infinity wrote:

Either that or it was written out of Peart's guilt for doing exactly the equivalent to John Rustey drumming wise

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 08:42
Originally posted by Infinity Infinity wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

The Trees seems to be an anti communist song. Being anti Communist doesn't make you fascist though does it. I always despised the hip and trendy NME anyway!!

I read The Trees as the American Oaks taking all of the sunlight away from the Canadian Maples , something a lot of Torontonians (which I was in the 70's and 80's) felt the same.

Not really about opression or repression , but a feeling of being suffocated by a huge neighbor, who was never really asking if those missiles and jets (flying the polar route to Russia) bothered the Canadians. Just an example among hundreds.

Either that or it was written out of Peart's guilt for doing exactly the equivalent to John Rustey drumming wise

Maybe, but why Oaks for America , is it significant? And at the end of the song they all have to be cut to equal heights! Everyone equal, you see?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 08:45

during their Transe Europe express / Man Machine period Kraftwerk were called to be fascist...totally unjustified. The band was really more into futurist & dadaism ideas (if we are looking the band's imaginary)

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 08:49
Germany does have an extreme right-wing musical scene, with bands like Landser or Störkraft or OKW (short for "Oberkommando der Wehrmacht", the Nazi term for their military headquarter), but they don't play prog, they play havy metal/punk. Thanks God their fans are a minority only.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 09:09
Even Sweden have a scene for extreme right-wing music, and we never had a fascist goverment.
Luckily a very small scene without any prog in it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 09:34
Surely there are bands of every political persuasion under the sun in most countries?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 10:11

I would think that progressive rock and fascism were mutually exclusive.  I don't think fascists could muster up the brain power to write long complex songs.  As for Rush being fascist, both they and Ayn Rand are libertarian, a political philosophy to which I subscribe, although Rush and Rand took that philosophy to some rather absurd extremes.  I would consider both to be more along the lines of anarchists than fascists.

I always interpreted The Trees as being about affirmative action and feminism, even though I know that's probably not what Peart was talking about.



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