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    Posted: February 01 2014 at 07:21
Is "Seventh son of a seventh son" a real prog album for you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2014 at 07:37
Originally posted by Phidias Phidias wrote:

Is "Seventh son of a seventh son" a real prog album for you?

Yes. Next?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2014 at 07:39
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2014 at 07:44
Hmm I'd call it an experimental heavy metal album with loads of progressive touches, but prog? No not really, but this is all down to how each of us defines prog, and as time has shown on this board, there are just as many opinions on that as there are usersSmile
Great album though - perfect for lifting weights and dogs.

Oh and I moved this to the prog related forum.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2014 at 08:13
Were they trying to make a prog metal album? I don't think so.
It has some of prog rock's features of course but a prog album? IMO No.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2014 at 10:53
I don't think it was meant to be a 'prog album' persay, but Iron Maiden was influenced by many of the 70's prog bands from the very beginning, so there were bound to be similarities. They had always written some longer tracks on their albums up to this point, and they'd always written about historical and fantasy-related stories as well which are trends that continued on 'Seventh Son'. They were going for a concept album though, which is why I think many people make the connection with it being a prog album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2014 at 11:12
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Hmm I'd call it an experimental heavy metal album with loads of progressive touches, but prog? No not really, but this is all down to how each of us defines prog, and as time has shown on this board, there are just as many opinions on that as there are usersSmile

You're absolutely right! For myself, I think that SSOASS is a caricature of progrock: 
-many synthesizers
-the introduction restarted at the end
-ambient part etc 

Anyway, it's a great metal album! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2014 at 11:30
Originally posted by Sagichim Sagichim wrote:

Were they trying to make a prog metal album? I don't think so.


Not definitely a "prog" album but a complex album! 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2014 at 12:09
Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

I don't think it was meant to be a 'prog album' persay, but Iron Maiden was influenced by many of the 70's prog bands from the very beginning, so there were bound to be similarities. They had always written some longer tracks on their albums up to this point, and they'd always written about historical and fantasy-related stories as well which are trends that continued on 'Seventh Son'. They were going for a concept album though, which is why I think many people make the connection with it being a prog album.

Yes it's well know: Harris heard Foxtrot and Aqualung when he was young :) , and he has never hidden his attraction to progmusic. That is why  I suppose that he wanted to make a prog album!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2014 at 09:23
Yes to the original question

their prog trilogy

Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son
Somewhere in Time
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2014 at 02:22
This LP (and the 2 before) created a new genre of music on its own, that is today recognised as prog. The folk that answer "No" to this question are perhaps regarding exclusively the composition structure. If "prog" is taken also as the successful prompting of rock music forward then the answer might be different. The employment of guitar synthesisers and mellotron, the "concept album", the near absence of the verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo-chorus framework, were all against the trends of the time.

The only problem was that this formula proved successful; too successful for the prog powers that be to acknowledge it. By 1988 Iron Maiden was reaching a more mature audience that compounded with the usual teenage following. If in 1985 dressing an Eddie t-shirt was an act of rebellion, by 1988 even high school teachers would have their Eddie outfits. Some can't possibly conceive such success as prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2014 at 20:29
Yes, it is a Prog album and yes, it was intentional.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 00:02
Maybe the title song only. Maiden will always be a superb Metal band - all their albums do have Progressively structured songs here and there. Choice band, for sure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 00:21
I don't think it matters, but it is Iron Maiden's most consistent and best album, so yay for them for making it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 00:26
Originally posted by Luís de Sousa Luís de Sousa wrote:

This LP (and the 2 before) created a new genre of music on its own, that is today recognised as prog. The folk that answer "No" to this question are perhaps regarding exclusively the composition structure. If "prog" is taken also as the successful prompting of rock music forward then the answer might be different. The employment of guitar synthesisers and mellotron, the "concept album", the near absence of the verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo-chorus framework, were all against the trends of the time.


That would be more of a return to the style of the 70's as opposed to strictly bucking the current trends. But yes, by your statement it would be true that Seventh Son would be a progressive album. Iron Maiden took heavy metal to a new place. I would think that Seventh Son is just as 'prog' as Operation: Mindcrime.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 02:36
'The X Factor' is the most amazing, breath-taking album from Maiden I know. Love D'anno, love Dickinson...... But the band truly created something spectacular with Bailey's 'X Factor'. It's gloomy, it's down-beat, it's hideously hated by many - however, this album is my ultimate FAVOURITE fromHarris and his buddies.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 02:40
'Seventh Son...' is proggy. So rather yes, it's more of a prog than straightforward metal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 09:33
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

'The X Factor' is the most amazing, breath-taking album from Maiden I know.


Agreed. Possibly the most rewarding LP from a strict prog-head point of view, though you have to be in for a depressing mood. I own all Maiden and this is the one I listen most to. The only thing SSOASS has that TXF doesn't have is the LP wide plot, its popularity comes more from the mysterious and exciting mood, that fit very well the 1980s.

TXF was an LP for the 1990s (released the same year Kurt Cobain died). But the traditional metal-head audience simply wasn't ready for it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 16:58
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 17:03
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

'The X Factor' is the most amazing, breath-taking album from Maiden I know. Love D'anno, love Dickinson...... But the band truly created something spectacular with Bailey's 'X Factor'. It's gloomy, it's down-beat, it's hideously hated by many - however, this album is my ultimate FAVOURITE fromHarris and his buddies.....

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