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I think we will know exactly how good 2013 was in another year. The average ratings are slowly decreasing as people who have never heard of or show no loyalties to said band are buying albums due to their star rating. 2013 gave me 2 full-blown masterpieces in The Raven and Hubardo. I haven't tried a lot of the other 2013 releases, but those that I have tried have been mostly average.   

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I think it's all down to how much time one wishes to invest in pursuing new music. There is so much out there that it'll take years just to update oneself with 2013. Sure this is also very much dependant on people's will to try something new. I think there are those who judge a year based almost entirely on what their fave artists put out. So if Wilson, Star Trek Moustache and Tulip Royals all released something they felt was below par, well hey presto it was a bad year.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote someone_else Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2014 at 06:39
2013 was a great year, probably the best since 1976 or 1977 (in my book). Of the 47 or 48 albums I have heard, I count five masterpieces and another 14 or 15 4-star albums.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote javajeff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2014 at 06:44
I only have 19 of the top 100 from 2013, so maybe I am not the person to ask.  Does anyone own more than that?  I also bought non prog like Elvis Costello and the Roots that I thought was excellent.  2013 was a good year.  I just think our top 100 was looking a little inflated.  There are maybe 5 or so on our top 100 that I may still get in the future.
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Well I spent about half of the year unemployed, so it kind of sucked.  Also my 19 year old cat died.  Getting back to work wasn't so bad though...
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it was a good year, but not much better than 2012, 2011, or 2010.

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My top 5's for the last four years

2013
Guapo - History Of The Visitation
Mirthkon - Snack(s)
Miriodor - Cobra Fakir
Blue Cranes - Swim
Unit Wail - Retort

2012
Thinking Plague - Decline & Fall
3 Mice - Send Me A Postcard
Nik Bartch Ronin - Live
Corima – Quetzalcoatl
Elephant9 – Atlantis

2011
Ske - 1000 Autunni
Nerve Institute - Architects of Flesh-Density
Arteria - Cuatro Visiones
Scherzoo - 01
Dave Willey - Immeasurable Currents

2010
Pikapika Teart - Moonberry
Uz Jsme Doma - Caves
Yugen - Iridule
Vezhlivyi Otkaz - Gusi-Lebedi
Univers Zero - Clivages

I'd rate 2013 as comparable to 2012 & 2011 but 2010 was a fantastic year for me and stands head & shoulders above other recent years.
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Some favorites from 2013:

The Aristocrats: Culture Clash
Chrome Hoof: Chrome Black Gold
Djam Karet: The Trip
Five Storey Ensemble: Not That City
Guapo: History of the Visitation
Herd of Instinct: Conjure
Martin Barre: Away with Words
Mike Keneally: You Must be This Tall
Miriodor: Cobra Fakir
MiRthkon: Snack(s)
simakDialog: The 6th Story
Steven Wilson: The Raven (Predictable, I know)
The Wrong Object: After the Exhibition

Record year for progressive music, in my opinion.



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I'm part of the problem.

I only review something if it's outstanding.  If it's mediocre I don't even bother.
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Originally posted by Gallifrey Gallifrey wrote:

No it wasn't.
Good music was there, but as a whole 2012 was infinitely better. Probably the weakest year of the past decade IMO

Definitely agree here. This was a severely disappointing year for me.
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

I'm part of the problem.
I only review something if it's outstanding.  If it's mediocre I don't even bother.


Writing a 5 star review is easy, you have plenty of good things to say about it and you want to write that review as a "thank you" to the artist(s). Most people avoid buying stuff they will probably hate (unless you are a dedicated Dream Theater troll or whatever) so 1 star reviews are rare.

I've been cutting my teeth on 2 and 3 star albums recently and its hard work. You really have to concentrate so that the bashing part is constructive and justified, but still give it some praise. So we give 2 or 3 star ratings instead which has 10x less impact than a review. Therefore the system is designed to over-rate things. So I ignore highly rated albums until they have at least 100 ratings, because its entirely false. Take Airbag or Moon Safari's newest albums which skyrocketed up the PA 100 charts, but their final rating was only 3.8-4.0 stars.    

There is no clear solution, but maybe new and overhyped albums should be banned from climbing the PA top 100 until they have been out for 2 months or so? That should minimise albums with 80 ratings and 4.6 average sitting in the top 30. Every time that happens it gives a bad impression to folks who use the PA 100 to find true prog masterpieces. If an underserving album reaches the top 30 (or top 11 which has happened many times!) it causes people to doubt the reliability of the top 100, which is very dangerous for this site.

After 2 months they can climb. The new albums will by then have a fair amount of ratings and if they still exist in the top 100, they at least partially deserve it. Putting a timer on new albums would not be too hard right?

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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:


If you experience a year of constant searching, I am almost certain you'll hear the fruits of your labour.


Yes, this I agree with! I'm always searching and always finding something great.
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Gallifrey Gallifrey wrote:

No it wasn't.

Good music was there, but as a whole 2012 was infinitely better. Probably the weakest year of the past decade IMO

Absolutely agree.

2012 was surprisingly good, 2013 was mediocre at the best.

IMO the ratings are increasing because the band members and fans of the bands come here to rate the albums more than ever

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Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Gallifrey Gallifrey wrote:

No it wasn't.

Good music was there, but as a whole 2012 was infinitely better. Probably the weakest year of the past decade IMO

Absolutely agree.

2012 was surprisingly good, 2013 was mediocre at the best.

IMO the ratings are increasing because the band members and fans of the bands come here to rate the albums more than ever

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 Tastes are always debatable but 2013 was exceptional in the neo/symph universe!  Mediocre, really  ?  PERHAPS even better than 1973, in certain ways. There were 40 or so outright jewels that I have listed in the collab choices thread.  


It was great in the avant / zeuhl sphere, too. Progressive music is very alive and very healthy! I agree that the past 10 years have been as good as the heyday of the genre.
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IMO, the new Transatlantic is much better than Bridge Across Forever. Also IMO, 2013 was a really good year for prog. I had a very hard time picking my top 10 of the year.
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My favorite album of 2013 was a 1995 album, Cardiacs - Sing To God.  However I got about 10 albums that were newly made last year and I like them all.
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Originally posted by progrockdeepcuts progrockdeepcuts wrote:


It was great in the avant / zeuhl sphere, too. Progressive music is very alive and very healthy! I agree that the past 10 years have been as good as the heyday of the genre.


While I feel the scene is as vibrant in the last decade as in the 80's and 90's I'm having a hard time comparing it to the 70's. Well I look at my top 100 albums more than 50 of them are from before 1980.
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I think it's all down to how much time one wishes to invest in pursuing new music. There is so much out there that it'll take years just to update oneself with 2013. Sure this is also very much dependant on people's will to try something new. I think there are those who judge a year based almost entirely on what their fave artists put out. So if Wilson, Star Trek Moustache and Tulip Royals all released something they felt was below par, well hey presto it was a bad year.
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Originally posted by Wanorak Wanorak wrote:

IMO, the new Transatlantic is much better than Bridge Across Forever. Also IMO, 2013 was a really good year for prog. I had a very hard time picking my top 10 of the year.


I admit it is growing on me.  It is hard to compare something that is a favorite to something that I only listened to 5 times so far.  All Transatlantic is great prog, but Bridge Across Forever just has some unforgettable tracks that make it special.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by progrockdeepcuts progrockdeepcuts wrote:


It was great in the avant / zeuhl sphere, too. Progressive music is very alive and very healthy! I agree that the past 10 years have been as good as the heyday of the genre.


While I feel the scene is as vibrant in the last decade as in the 80's and 90's I'm having a hard time comparing it to the 70's. Well I look at my top 100 albums more than 50 of them are from before 1980.


As much as I love a lot of albums from the '70's, I've heard too much music to have a top 100 list.  I enjoy moving forward. The Tea Club is another one of my favorite discoveries of 2013 though I don't think they did anything new last year.


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