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    Posted: March 04 2014 at 18:28
My 2 cents on Ian, and his voice. 

First of all, obviously his voice is not near what it used to be.   That has to be said.

However, in the studio, it works fine for the most part.  I've heard many prog vocalists not be up to par, and I am perfectly fine with their music.  

(Hell, I was just listening to Steve Howe's "Beginnings" album today and liked it...LOL)

So, for me, his voice is good enough for studio recordings, with help.   I enjoyed TAAB2 very much actually,  Lots of quality compositions on it.

In concert, that's different.   I'd just as soon listen to a different vocalist on stage, at least for a great many of the songs.  Perhaps not all.   But then again, I'm pretty well done with live Ian or Tull at this point.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gully Foyle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2014 at 11:24

so what you are saying is that i have no choice in whether i like something or not?
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Originally posted by Gully Foyle Gully Foyle wrote:

its not the diminished voice that bothered me about taab2, it was the actual talking between songs....just goofy and really a killer for me


 
Ohhhh, I get it! I have to preform things EXACTLY the way you want!
 
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I go pretty far back with Tull. First exposure being many years ago when Benefit came out. Tull for me was always a great band. In my humble opinion the finest of Tull came from the work of ...Barre, Glascock, Barlow, Evans, Hammond and Anderson. That band played it's tail off! All that said Barre was the magician...he kept the rock edge to Tull that gave them their popularity that crossed the boundaries of a heavy blues band that played some folk and classical, to a prog rock behemoth. Anderson always took the lions share of the credit and money from that band and over the years I guess he claimed the name too. But I became only a casual listener to the bands later works after "A" and now that Ian cut Martin for his own self preservation, I lost interest. I know the reviews were pretty good for the TAAB 2 album Ian made, but I never bought it. And I don't intend too. When I want Tull I have the real deal in my collection. And that's quite enough for me.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gully Foyle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2014 at 11:08
its not the diminished voice that bothered me about taab2, it was the actual talking between songs....just goofy and really a killer for me


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Saw Martin Barre at Bath Komedia late last year. I looked around and managed to count the people there. Couldn't have been much more than 60. He had a great guitarist playing with him. A French bloke - really nifty. It was a Sunday night mind - and the weather was sh*t.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2014 at 18:44
It's not optimism, it's a consistent pattern, and Tull are not facing what Zep, Beatles or the Who did (essentially death).   Just look at the Barre/Anderson history--  if anyone wanted to bet me they wouldn't be back I'd take that bet in a heartbeat.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Prog_Traveller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2014 at 18:39
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Falling out or not, if they're both still healthy, eventually Barre/Anderson will return.  They always have and probably always will, separate projects or not.   We've all been putting up with Ian's diminished voice since the late '80s, you take it or leave it.




I appreciate your optimism but really you never know. They might return or they might not. Gentle Giant never returned and neither did the Beatles. Led Zeppelin kind of did but not for another album. The same thing with the Who. So who knows what will happen. It seems neither Ian nor Martin even know.
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Falling out or not, if they're both still healthy, eventually Barre/Anderson will return.  They always have and probably always will, separate projects or not.   We've all been putting up with Ian's diminished voice since the late '80s, you take it or leave it.


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It definitely seems(key word here is seems)that Ian and Martin had some sort of falling out. It's unfortunate but sometimes musicians just go in different directions. From what I understand it was the record companies idea for him to do a TAAB 2 album but Ian chose to pursue it as a solo project rather than a JT one.

I do feel lucky in the sense that I was able to see JT live while the band were still active back in 2008. I saw Ian solo about two years prior to that and that show was actually just as good(if not better)than the JT show.
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Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I have not heard Ian Anderson' latest vocal contributions yet, so I can't judge. but let's face it: he was never much of a singer. neither was his range very impressive nor did he hit the notes very well, and his voice was always very nasal.


After some surgery on his throat back in the 1990s I think his voice has become a lot deeper, which means that he can't do quite the same vocal melodies before. As a result he needs a second vocalist to sing the higher parts when performing old material in the live setting.

Doesn't really bother me, though, but as you can see a lot of people think different.

Quote that does not mean I don't like his vocals. one of my favorite vocalists is the late Robert Calvert of Hawkwind, and he could not sing at all. but the way he delivered his vocal contributions was extremely impressive and totally made up for his lacking singing abilities. you don't have to be a good singer to be a good vocalist


See also the late Rozz Williams of Christian Death, while in an ostensibly very different genre his vocal style reminded me a lot of an evil Robert Calvert. (right down to affecting a similar accent, despite being American!)



actually this track reminds me a lot of this one:


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I have not heard Ian Anderson' latest vocal contributions yet, so I can't judge. but let's face it: he was never much of a singer. neither was his range very impressive nor did he hit the notes very well, and his voice was always very nasal.


After some surgery on his throat back in the 1990s I think his voice has become a lot deeper, which means that he can't do quite the same vocal melodies before. As a result he needs a second vocalist to sing the higher parts when performing old material in the live setting.

Doesn't really bother me, though, but as you can see a lot of people think different.

Quote that does not mean I don't like his vocals. one of my favorite vocalists is the late Robert Calvert of Hawkwind, and he could not sing at all. but the way he delivered his vocal contributions was extremely impressive and totally made up for his lacking singing abilities. you don't have to be a good singer to be a good vocalist


See also the late Rozz Williams of Christian Death, while in an ostensibly very different genre his vocal style reminded me a lot of an evil Robert Calvert. (right down to affecting a similar accent, despite being American!)




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I would agree that Ian's losing his voice and most probably economical matters are at the root of the split. Ian likely conceived TAAB2 in his mind and saw it's potential for making some fresh cash and wanted to capitalize the profits without having to share too much of them. Music bands can be strange families, now I love you, now stick your guitar's neck in your ass (I may have to do the same with my flute but that will be less painful LOL).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BaldJean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2014 at 10:47
I have not heard Ian Anderson' latest vocal contributions yet, so I can't judge. but let's face it: he was never much of a singer. neither was his range very impressive nor did he hit the notes very well, and his voice was always very nasal.

that does not mean I don't like his vocals. one of my favorite vocalists is the late Robert Calvert of Hawkwind, and he could not sing at all. but the way he delivered his vocal contributions was extremely impressive and totally made up for his lacking singing abilities. you don't have to be a good singer to be a good vocalist


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Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

His voice's a bit deeper now than it used to, but I don't mind that. The interview linked to earlier was quite enlightening, by the way.

Deeper? How about non-existent?! His vocals on stage are embarrassing. He can get away with it in the studio with the latest technology but.....

C'mon, Ian lost his voice years ago and it has gotten so bad on stage that he needs someone else to sing the high bits......I reckon he also needs someone else to sing all the other bits as well!
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His voice's a bit deeper now than it used to, but I don't mind that. The interview linked to earlier was quite enlightening, by the way.
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Ian really can't sing anymore. It's seems the only old Progger that went out gracefully was Bruford.
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And Ian said that he made proposal to Martin to participate in TAAB2, but Martin rejected to do it.
I could suppose from words of Martin that copyrights and royalties is the problem in their relations with Ian.
I adjusted for the voice of Ian in the last yeas and I'm really enjoing TAAB2.Big smile
By the way, Martin recorded not bad album Away with Words in 2013 - nice JT style music - new pieces mixed with clasic Tull in new arrangements.


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Originally posted by Gully Foyle Gully Foyle wrote:

So, i see a new Anderson album coming out...hopefully none of hte spoken word bits that made it impossible for me to listen to taab2, but i digress
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just curious...
 
I think you will see more of it. It's been said that Ian has lost most of his voice for singing.
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As much as I have loved Jethro Tull over the years, I think it's time to hang up the banner and start looking into other things. Retirement for Ian Anderson, unless he stops singing (or attempting to), and for Martin to make his mark as one of the best guitarists the world does not know about. A fantastic musical journey and legacy that has finally reached it's end, as everything does in due time, but I don't think they had very much left playing together. It was quite sad seeing them playing Led Zeppelin songs, when they had such an amazing discography, proving they were growing bore of their own music. 
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