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    Posted: August 04 2014 at 08:20
^Yeah but not only you have these kinds of difficulties, that happens with me too with some prog bands.

Edited by Rick Robson - August 04 2014 at 08:21
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I haven't listened to much ELP, and it's entirely due to the fact that every time I try and get into them, I find another band that manages to catch my attention for the moment Embarrassed.
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The only PA top 20 I have not heard are IQ and Anglagard.
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ ELP? Over-played? When? Where?
 
Yes to be honest they have been over-played over and over and over and over everyday at home.
 
The classics I still never heard:
 
The Enid, King Crimson (I've been told here by Dr.Woo that ITCOTCK should be at least heard by anyone who is into prog on any level), Van Der Graaf Generator, Tangerine Dream, PFM, Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso, Focus, The Nice, Gentle Giant, Libra, Soft Machine, Aphrodite's Child, Stephen Caudel, Pekka Pohjola.
 
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The "newies" I still never heard: Abel Ganz (except Shooting Albatross), Glass Hammer, Machines Dream, The Emerald Dawn, Argos, Panic Room, there are plenty others for sure but right now I have to take a shower, you know what I mean:


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Neuschwanstein, Wallenstein - Never regret about any german band I happened to know by now. Also want to check out Aphrodite's Child (although I read it's not symphonic like) and IQ.

Aphrodites Child - yep check out '666' for sure. One of my favourite albums. Here is a good review of it


Thanks Richard, but you know the time is short for so much good music and believe it or not they are still in my wishlist (besides a huge Classical Music stuff) , exception made for that good german bands as already expected - it's worth mentioning the band Neuschwanstein even though this band issued only 2 albums, the first one (Battlement) I found an interesting syle there, rich in lovely flute and chord melodies melted with beautiful keyboards, sadly it marked the end of the band's life, I think they had much potential to develop from that initial work.
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In my case, it’s always been monetary issues. I’ve had periods of little disposable income, so there have been a lot of artists that I wanted to explore more in depth but couldn’t. Within the last year, some classic titles I’ve bought for the first time in any form include:

Banco—Di Terra
PFM—Per un Amico
Kevin Ayers—Joy of a Toy
Peter Hammill—In Camera
Jethro Tull—Live Bursting Out
Frank Zappa—Chunga’s Revenge
Echolyn—Suffocating the Bloom
SFF—Ticket to Everywhere
Can—Future Days
Silly human race! Yes is for everybody!
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Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Neuschwanstein, Wallenstein - Never regret about any german band I happened to know by now. Also want to check out Aphrodite's Child (although I read it's not symphonic like) and IQ.

Aphrodites Child - yep check out '666' for sure. One of my favourite albums. Here is a good review of it



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Oh yeah, I just remembered I had the album where the guys pissed against a pillar - Who's Next maybe. I guess I haven't looked into them for so long I don't recall much. I have seen the albums time and time again at fairs but didn't bother. No, I haven't seen the films, I know the songs Pinball Wizzard and Touch Me Feel Me (no thanks !!) but I suppose it's probably like selling ice to the Eskimos......
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rick Robson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2014 at 22:16
Neuschwanstein, Wallenstein - Never regret about any german band I happened to know by now. Also want to check out Aphrodite's Child (although I read it's not symphonic like) and IQ.


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Baba O'Riley was probably my introduction to prog. I remember first hearing that when I was about 13 and it changed my feelings about music totally. The Who never recorded another track like it sadly. Quadrophenia is probably a better album than Who's Next. The keyboards and synths help create a nice symphonic backdrop at times. I also like The Who By Numbers and would even put that above Who's Next for consistency and quality of songs.
 
Baba O'Riley - well reminded as a great song, also one of my favourites of this talented band The Who, besides "The Rock" and "Quadrophenia" (both from Quadrophenia), "Go To The Mirror!" and "Overture" (both from Tommy), all these are really great, but there must be other nice songs too, right now I can recall other two: "Love, Reign O'er Me"(Quadrophenia) and "Underture" (Tommy). The fact is that I know only the albums - The Who Sell Out, studio (1967); Tommy, studio (1969); Who's Next, studio (1971) and Quadrophenia, studio (1973).
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Wow, you've never heard Tommy and Quadrophenia.  I guess you haven't watched the movies either.  I'm surprised, as I  has assumed that you were of a demographic that It would have been hard not to hear them.   I'm transferring my experience too much onto what I would expect another's experience to be.  Face Dances is quite poor, by the way, and of course is best not compared to the band's classic material.  I did like It's Hard, though.  That was the first cassette I ever bought.

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Anyway, a "prog related" classic I haven't heard is ummm, well all of the Godley and Creme albums I think.
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Baba O'Riley was probably my introduction to prog. I remember first hearing that when I was about 13 and it changed my feelings about music totally. The Who never recorded another track like it sadly. Quadrophenia is probably a better album than Who's Next. The keyboards and synths help create a nice symphonic backdrop at times. I also like The Who By Numbers and would even put that above Who's Next for consistency and quality of songs.
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^ I did mean I had Live At Leeds ( with Young Man Blues, Magic Bus, shakin all over etc.) and an 80's live. Thought they were a strong band in live performance but they came across as somewhat 'regular'. I dunno, just not something I connect with.
The Entwistle albums were one with a cool design , something like a cartoonish 'night time in the woods' scene. I recall an owl somewhere on it, had a song called Nightmare, which was my favourite, and Too Late The Hero, only the title song was listenable for me. This is going back around 20-odd years ago. A friend of mine at the time had Face Dances, which I thought was pure dross.........
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

The albums Tommy and Quadraphenia by the Who....
.......why ??    I don't really like the band's style. I can't get into them, I once had Live At Leeds, a. 80's Live with the Union Jack on the cover (Kenny Jones on drums) and they didn't do anything for me.
Also had 2 Entwistle solo albums coz I know that he was a great bassist, but they, too, did little for me.


Oh dear. This is called having the worst possible start.

Who's Last (Not Live At Leeds) IS dreadul. Phoned in vocals and guitars. And it's bad line. A pit of a live album, should never have been released. Entwistle's albums are his indulgence, same with Daltey's (usually).

Quadrophenia, Tommy are classics. But I recommend the best start is Who's Next. If that doesn't do it - then better move on... Live At Leeds is vital stuff. Then other albums, compilations...

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The albums Tommy and Quadraphenia by the Who....
.......why ??    I don't really like the band's style. I can't get into them, I once had Live At Leeds, a. 80's Live with the Union Jack on the cover (Kenny Jones on drums) and they didn't do anything for me.
Also had 2 Entwistle solo albums coz I know that he was a great bassist, but they, too, did little for me.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

1986 and beyond I think TD became less collaborative and was really Froese using the band name for his solo output aided and abetted by his son and a few others. Franke got fed up and left about 1987 to purse his own solo career (the music for Babylon 5 was probably his high point)
In recent years (2004 onwards) TD have become a lot more retro in approach. There are a number of albums I like such as the Booster series (6 releases so far) but I wouldn't recommend any in particular. Best to stick to the earlier eras if you are building a collection.


1986's Underwater Sunlight was the last truly great "collaborative" trio album by TD, and also the last wholly unique one (back when each new album yielded tonnes of great new sounds and melodies and sequences). Being it's the first with Paul Haslinger, on the heels of Johannes' departure, it makes sense, but then...

...as you mentioned, Chris Franke left after Tyger, which was a unique yet pleasant experiment for them.

Optical Race, Melrose and Rockoon represent a transitional window, IMO, where Edgar balanced a collaborative approach with yielding more control to Jerome. It's like they wanted to incorporate a more traditional instrumental rock sound, but some of the drum patterns are questionable. Sometimes it's just better to get a real drummer if that's what you want.

Yep I agree although think things got even worse after Rockoon before picking up over the last 10 years or so.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

1986 and beyond I think TD became less collaborative and was really Froese using the band name for his solo output aided and abetted by his son and a few others. Franke got fed up and left about 1987 to purse his own solo career (the music for Babylon 5 was probably his high point)
In recent years (2004 onwards) TD have become a lot more retro in approach. There are a number of albums I like such as the Booster series (6 releases so far) but I wouldn't recommend any in particular. Best to stick to the earlier eras if you are building a collection.


1986's Underwater Sunlight was the last truly great "collaborative" trio album by TD, and also the last wholly unique one (back when each new album yielded tonnes of great new sounds and melodies and sequences). Being it's the first with Paul Haslinger, on the heels of Johannes' departure, it makes sense, but then...

...as you mentioned, Chris Franke left after Tyger, which was a unique yet pleasant experiment for them.

Optical Race, Melrose and Rockoon represent a transitional window, IMO, where Edgar balanced a collaborative approach with yielding more control to Jerome. It's like they wanted to incorporate a more traditional instrumental rock sound, but some of the drum patterns are questionable. Sometimes it's just better to get a real drummer if that's what you want.
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Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

I've check out a track from Tangerine Dream - Church Theme, which is the first from them i happen to know - very beautiful, but i suppose they have others even better, haven't they?


If you like "Church Theme," get the album it's sourced from, Pergamon: Live at the Palast der Republik, released in 1980. "Church Theme" is one of several pieces sourced from Pergamon for the Wavelength soundtrack. Two excellent side-length suites.

If you like what you hear, also check the Tangerine Dream albums Tangram, Exit, White Eagle and Thief (also a film soundtrack) at the very least, also recorded by the same line-up. I'd also recommend the 1979 album Force Majeure.
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I still need to hear ELP, Gentle Giant and Van Der Graaf Generator, full albums, I've only listened to a couple of songs :(
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Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Classics I never heard: The Dragon, L' Apocalypse des Animaux, Earth, Opera Sauvage, Soil Festivities, Direct, Mask. Recently known the album El Greco - just amazing!

Those are all great. In fact you are very close to listing all my favourite Vangelis albums. Heaven and Hell , China ,Voices and Blade Runner are the only ones I would put above them.

I would also strongly recommend his two albums with Irene Papas - Odes and Rapsodies.
 
Hey Richard, thanks for the references, i'll check them out as soon as i can. Heaven and Hell , China ,Voices and Blade Runner i already know and for sure they are great, although i enjoyed more "The Music of Cosmos" and "El Greco" more than China and Blade Runner.
 
Interesting to check out also these albums with that greek singer.
 
I've check out a track from Tangerine Dream - Church Theme, which is the first from them i happen to know - very beautiful, but i suppose they have others even better, haven't they?
Church Theme is from the Wavelength s/t which I've only just acquired. Its is from that 1980-1985 period when the line up was Froese, Franke and Schmoelling. That is my favourite period of TD without doubt. Either Tangram or Poland should be your next port of call from that era or maybe Logos.

You can pretty much divide TD into these era's

Ambient/Psyche period up to 1974 I don't know that much about. Can't make any recommendation from that period except I know that Zeit gets a lot of positive mentions on the forum. I intend to pick it up at some point.
1975 - 1979 was their most progressive and interesting period but also somewhat inconsistent. Force Majeure is the best imo.
1980 - 1985 as mentioned
1986 and beyond I think TD became less collaborative and was really Froese using the band name for his solo output aided and abetted by his son and a few others. Franke got fed up and left about 1987 to purse his own solo career (the music for Babylon 5 was probably his high point)
In recent years (2004 onwards) TD have become a lot more retro in approach. There are a number of albums I like such as the Booster series (6 releases so far) but I wouldn't recommend any in particular. Best to stick to the earlier eras if you are building a collection.

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