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    Posted: February 18 2014 at 23:39
I am of the opinion that some psychedelic rock is proto-prog rock.
I am interested in the years 1966 to 1968.  Can anyone give me
some of the bands that made the most musical strides in these years.
Obviously, the Nice, Floyd, Soft Machine, but I'm interested in something
that isn't jazz or classical done with more rock elements thrown in,
but something more harmonically innovative as well as sonic textures,
like studio effects.  

I'm curious what the year 1966 put out as far as innovative rock.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 00:18
I know it isn't exactly proto prog, at least according to this site, but I kind of think of it as the first real proto prog album: Pet Sounds by the Beach Boys. It was definitely innovative.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 00:19
Originally posted by Master of Time Master of Time wrote:

I know it isn't exactly proto prog, at least according to this site, but I kind of think of it as the first real proto prog album: Pet Sounds by the Beach Boys. It was definitely innovative.
And "Smile" is another killa. Wink

And how 'bout "Anthem Of The Sun" by Grateful Dead? It's one of gems of Psych Rock.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 01:31
Originally posted by brainstormer brainstormer wrote:

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I'm curious what the year 1966 put out as far as innovative rock.  

I'd like to recommend East West as an 13-minute long instruemental track released in 1966 (at same titled album) as truly innovative as well. Unbelievable Mike Bloomfield's guitar work. Nobody was recorded something like that before. It was recorded at one live studio session and even today it doesn't sound dated.








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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 01:40
WAZOO : St (1970)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 02:12
This is a great thread! and your timing couldn't be better, just a few days ago I finally got my Canterbury Glass album. It's an album recorded in 1968 but was never released, this is really progressive for that year. Steve Hacket joined the band just before they broke up and he's playing on one song.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 03:22
And my favorite early prog band Touch.
Also from 68' every song on the album shows a different direction, excellent stuff!






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 04:07
I guess that you're already familiar with Procol Harum? I think A Salty Dog is my favourite album of theirs in case you want a good place to start.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 09:55
Family-Music In A Doll's House. It was released in 1968.
The Beach Boys-Smile was about experimentation. Phase shifting vocal harmonies , chanting, sound effects and combine this with the influence of J.S.Bach and you have a very odd sound. The Beach Boys vocally, keep their distinctive sound , but unlike any vocal style they harmonized in prior to Smile. It's so "off beat" for 67' and so ahead of it's time and 3 of the instrumental pieces are in the vain of the early Residents albums. Sections of Mark of the Mole and Not Available perhaps. It's a very strange connection..but it's obvious to hear. Especially in the "Fire tapes".

Jefferson Airplane's Crown of Creation is the Airplane album I must single out as being the most influential to Space Rock. Piper At the Gates of Dawn featured the instrumental "Interstellar Overdrive" which may have been the first attempt at completeness in Space Rock. Crown of Creation tends to create atmospheric sounds that later turned up in the music of Gong, Hawkwind, Guru, Guru and Amon Duul II. It was a different influence entirely to Space Rock than Piper...although "Lather" is quite like a Syd Barrett composition and take notice sometime. Imagine Syd Barrett singing "Lather" and it all falls into place. However...Syd Barrett listened to Jefferson Airplane and the developing stages of this type of experimentation can't be pin pointed and historically documented exacting without having the answers to certain important questions. It's never discussed that deeply on any of the Pink Floyd documentaries and hardly mentioned in the films on the late 60's. Ron Geesin would probably know the answers and point me in the right direction. Some people assume that because everything was bursting out in the 60's scene at rapid speed...that the confused event itself holds the explanation as to why credit to an artist can not be given and that the observation of changing music cannot be credited to that artist until several people from that period are interviewed to confirm it. That's a lie.

Beaver & Krause's In A Wild Sanctuary was very groundbreaking and influential.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 10:02
Listen to The United States of America (the band and the name of their single album). 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 12:43
The legend says that the Doors heard this song by Kim Fowley - "one of the most colourful characters in rock 'n' roll" - on a jukebox, and then ... you know the story.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 12:44
The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, 1968

Group 1850 - Agemo's Trip to Mother Earth, 1968


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 21:04
I believe 1967 was the year Proto-Prog broke out.  That's why I am interested in 1966 or earlier.
Definitely, Brian Wilson was a good call. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2014 at 21:12
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by brainstormer brainstormer wrote:

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I'm curious what the year 1966 put out as far as innovative rock.  

I'd like to recommend East West as an 13-minute long instruemental track released in 1966 (at same titled album) as truly innovative as well. Unbelievable Mike Bloomfield's guitar work. Nobody was recorded something like that before. It was recorded at one live studio session and even today it doesn't sound dated.

This came as a surprise for 1966.  

I am thinking Donovan might be one of the most prog artists in 1966.  Listening to the first three songs
on Sunrise Superman from 1966.  The 3rd song is a lot like very early Crimson. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2014 at 04:28
The Mothers of Invention's first three LPs are mandatory too, being instrumental in kicking off a wave of experimentation within rock music just through "cultural osmosis" despite not being "progressive rock" in the British sense. It was Freak Out! that inspired The Beatles to think further outside the box, even though Zappa himself didn't think highly of them, which in turn spurred on much of the initial UK prog scene. Can't remember if that album was 1966 or 1967.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2014 at 21:36
About the only band doing anything interesting on a consistent level before '67 were the Beatles when Revolver came out......and Rubber Soul before that.
Freak Out '66 and Absoutely Free '67 by Zappa as some one mentioned above but they didn't sound like 'proto prog' to my ears. Floyd came out with their first in '67 also....The Doors '67........The Airplane '67.......
Someone mentioned Donovan but he never sounded proggy to me but folky psych rock but I can see how that might sound like proto prog. .There were many pysch rock and proto prog bands in 67 - 69.... including some one hit wonders and one LP bands. I have a lot of those early psych bands on cd .
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2014 at 14:21
Yeah, I think Zappa is on the site for music he recorded much later. Just noticed that The Moody Blues' first LP came out in 1966 too, but I haven't heard it so...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2014 at 15:19
Yes, I second most suggestions made here above.
Last days I listened to Country Joe MacDonald's Electric Music For The Mind And Body, which has some protoproggish elements, as in the instrumental "Section 43".
And also Buffalo Springfield's "Broken Arrow" from Buffalo Springfield Again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2014 at 15:23
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Listen to The United States of America (the band and the name of their single album). 




That's what came to my mind as well. Such a great and adventerous album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2014 at 11:13
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Yeah, I think Zappa is on the site for music he recorded much later. Just noticed that The Moody Blues' first LP came out in 1966 too, but I haven't heard it so...

The Moody's first album (1965) featured Denny Laine (later of Paul McCartney's Wings). It was more R&B/pop than anything. Their big hit on their first release was "Go Now". It wasn't until Laine left and Justin Hayward and John Lodge joined the band that they eventually dropped their previous sound, got an offer by their label to do a rock version of Dvořák's New World Symphony (as a demo for Decca's new "Deramic stereo sound"). The Moodys decided to do their own thing instead, and the rest is prog history.
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