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    Posted: March 22 2014 at 15:32
Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:


Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Sorrow, I guess, though I'm not much of a fan of any of this songs.

Same here. I know some people rate Sorrow pretty highly, but it's never done it for me. I prefer Dogs of War and One Slip, from that album.


Me too. Though I would also add "In the Turning Away" and "Terminal Frost" (I hope I got the name right)... oh yeah, and "Yet Another Movie". Specially the live versions of Turning Away and Another Movie songs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2014 at 10:38
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Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

 
 
Hey man, right on, briiliant Voltaire! Didn't know his phrase.
 
Of course Genesis 80's and 90's are definitely not all just for that, what i wanted to mean is that even being composed by Banks i felt that song having a rather different style, but maybe you are right, i've got to download it and give it another spin in order to compare with my first impressions...

The best thing is that we agree about Voltaire words, the rest just a detail Smile

 
That's the point, agree with you, btw i've heard much about him in that Dolina's popular radio program, do you know it ? Well, it's not so popular...

I know Dolina of course, but as I usually do not listen radio, I almost know nothing about this program, and less about its relation with Voltaire. In fact it results more interesting to me this Voltaire's phrase and maybe some thoughts of him than Voltaire himself. Well, I think that Dolina is popular in some spheres.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2014 at 13:48
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Sorrow, I guess, though I'm not much of a fan of any of this songs.

Same here. I know some people rate Sorrow pretty highly, but it's never done it for me. I prefer Dogs of War and One Slip, from that album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2014 at 13:07
My vote goes to Sorrow. Easy one for me
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2014 at 12:43
Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

 
 
Hey man, right on, briiliant Voltaire! Didn't know his phrase.
 
Of course Genesis 80's and 90's are definitely not all just for that, what i wanted to mean is that even being composed by Banks i felt that song having a rather different style, but maybe you are right, i've got to download it and give it another spin in order to compare with my first impressions...

The best thing is that we agree about Voltaire words, the rest just a detail Smile

 
That's the point, agree with you, btw i've heard much about him in that Dolina's popular radio program, do you know it ? Well, it's not so popular...


Edited by Rick Robson - March 21 2014 at 19:25


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2014 at 12:35
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2014 at 11:05
Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

I don't think Banks thought let me do disco beat---I  think there's a part of One for the Vine with a kind of 4 on the floor "disco" beat---which came years before Domino.Smile

Yes, Banks did disco beat, if not listen to The Fugitive for example, and of course you can find some disco beats into several tracks he wrote, but I am not agree with the idea that all that he did en the 80`s is disco music, just this...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2014 at 11:02
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

 
 
Hey man, right on, briiliant Voltaire! Didn't know his phrase.
 
Of course Genesis 80's and 90's are definitely not all just for that, what i wanted to mean is that even being composed by Banks i felt that song having a rather different style, but maybe you are right, i've got to download it and give it another spin in order to compare with my first impressions...

The best thing is that we agree about Voltaire words, the rest just a detail Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2014 at 09:32
I don't think Banks thought let me do disco beat---I  think there's a part of One for the Vine with a kind of 4 on the floor "disco" beat---which came years before Domino.Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2014 at 00:24
Hey, just for the record - I recall seeing chicks dancing to Sorrow when I saw the AMLOR tour in '88.
I even remember seeing chicks trying to get their dancing mojo on during a Sting concert. The song was St. Augustine In Hell, and it s in 7/8 time !!! Looked quite amusing.....
But I can see how Domino (part II) could be considered 'disco'.
The band Chicago had 'Street Player', which is a kick- ass tune, but quite 'disco'. Cool groove from the Cetera/Seraphine rhythm team too!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2014 at 20:45
Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:



Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:


Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Of couse , live versions of Sorrow are exceptional..........
Live versions of Domino are almost from the album verbatim.......
Never heard live versions of the other 2 songs though.

yet the live versions of Domino are much more powerful. Worth checking out the version from 'The Longs' ,turn the f**ker up loud and then watch your house shudderTongue
Agree and the version from live at Wembley Dvd is even better IMO
 Imposiible for me making a comparison like that... kind of nonsense comparing completely different styles even talking about live shows, btw i would like to know what Gilmour and Collins' music have in common.
Domino is a song mainly written by Banks
Don't see a remarkable difference from the rest of that album

Evidently it is a subjective matter. For me tracks like Domino and Brazilian (both two mainly from Banks) makes a notable difference with the rest of the album and not only in musical terms. The concept of the track, the lyric, the storyline...
IMO Domino and Sorrow are two songs perfectly comparable.

 
Ouchh... Different minds, different subjective opinions, etc., i'd better go dancing some Genesis hit in a Disco, let's see if i change my mind then...


You don’t need to change your mind. In my case I’m trying to be objective (of course inside my subjectivity), and trying to not be blind by musical fan-tastes.


 
Yeah i know that, i've got to regard that i'm a Floyd fan and also the fact that i don't know anything of dancing, never enjoyed to dance almost any kind of music. Regardless of who composed them, i consider these good examples of rather different styles of composition...

Well, that's ok, but to say that all the Genesis music in the 80's and 90's is dancing or disco is just an exaggeration out of reality.

You know, once Voltaire said something like thist "I do not share your opinion but I would do anything for you can express freely"

So that is, probably we could never agree at this point.
 
Hey man, right on, briiliant Voltaire! Didn't know his phrase.
 
Of course Genesis 80's and 90's are definitely not all just for that, what i wanted to mean is that even being composed by Banks i felt that song having a rather different style, but maybe you are right, i've got to download it and give it another spin in order to compare with my first impressions...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2014 at 19:31
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:



Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:


Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Of couse , live versions of Sorrow are exceptional..........
Live versions of Domino are almost from the album verbatim.......
Never heard live versions of the other 2 songs though.

yet the live versions of Domino are much more powerful. Worth checking out the version from 'The Longs' ,turn the f**ker up loud and then watch your house shudderTongue
Agree and the version from live at Wembley Dvd is even better IMO
 Imposiible for me making a comparison like that... kind of nonsense comparing completely different styles even talking about live shows, btw i would like to know what Gilmour and Collins' music have in common.
Domino is a song mainly written by Banks
Don't see a remarkable difference from the rest of that album

Evidently it is a subjective matter. For me tracks like Domino and Brazilian (both two mainly from Banks) makes a notable difference with the rest of the album and not only in musical terms. The concept of the track, the lyric, the storyline...
IMO Domino and Sorrow are two songs perfectly comparable.

 
Ouchh... Different minds, different subjective opinions, etc., i'd better go dancing some Genesis hit in a Disco, let's see if i change my mind then...


You don’t need to change your mind. In my case I’m trying to be objective (of course inside my subjectivity), and trying to not be blind by musical fan-tastes.


 
Yeah i know that, i've got to regard that i'm a Floyd fan and also the fact that i don't know anything of dancing, never enjoyed to dance almost any kind of music. Regardless of who composed them, i consider these good examples of rather different styles of composition...

Well, that's ok, but to say that all the Genesis music in the 80's and 90's is dancing or disco is just an exaggeration out of reality.

You know, once Voltaire said something like thist "I do not share your opinion but I would do anything for you can express freely"

So that is, probably we could never agree at this point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2014 at 12:01
Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:



Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:


Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Of couse , live versions of Sorrow are exceptional..........
Live versions of Domino are almost from the album verbatim.......
Never heard live versions of the other 2 songs though.

yet the live versions of Domino are much more powerful. Worth checking out the version from 'The Longs' ,turn the f**ker up loud and then watch your house shudderTongue
Agree and the version from live at Wembley Dvd is even better IMO
 Imposiible for me making a comparison like that... kind of nonsense comparing completely different styles even talking about live shows, btw i would like to know what Gilmour and Collins' music have in common.
Domino is a song mainly written by Banks
Don't see a remarkable difference from the rest of that album

Evidently it is a subjective matter. For me tracks like Domino and Brazilian (both two mainly from Banks) makes a notable difference with the rest of the album and not only in musical terms. The concept of the track, the lyric, the storyline...
IMO Domino and Sorrow are two songs perfectly comparable.

 
Ouchh... Different minds, different subjective opinions, etc., i'd better go dancing some Genesis hit in a Disco, let's see if i change my mind then...


You don’t need to change your mind. In my case I’m trying to be objective (of course inside my subjectivity), and trying to not be blind by musical fan-tastes.


 
Yeah i know that, i've got to regard that i'm a Floyd fan and also the fact that i don't know anything of dancing, never enjoyed to dance almost any kind of music. Regardless of who composed them, i consider these good examples of rather different styles of composition...


Edited by Rick Robson - March 20 2014 at 12:02


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2014 at 10:00
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:



Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:


Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Of couse , live versions of Sorrow are exceptional..........
Live versions of Domino are almost from the album verbatim.......
Never heard live versions of the other 2 songs though.

yet the live versions of Domino are much more powerful. Worth checking out the version from 'The Longs' ,turn the f**ker up loud and then watch your house shudderTongue
Agree and the version from live at Wembley Dvd is even better IMO
 Imposiible for me making a comparison like that... kind of nonsense comparing completely different styles even talking about live shows, btw i would like to know what Gilmour and Collins' music have in common.
Domino is a song mainly written by Banks
Don't see a remarkable difference from the rest of that album

Evidently it is a subjective matter. For me tracks like Domino and Brazilian (both two mainly from Banks) makes a notable difference with the rest of the album and not only in musical terms. The concept of the track, the lyric, the storyline...
IMO Domino and Sorrow are two songs perfectly comparable.

 
Ouchh... Different minds, different subjective opinions, etc., i'd better go dancing some Genesis hit in a Disco, let's see if i change my mind then...


You don’t need to change your mind. In my case I’m trying to be objective (of course inside my subjectivity), and trying to not be blind by musical fan-tastes.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2014 at 09:49
Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:



Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:


Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Of couse , live versions of Sorrow are exceptional..........
Live versions of Domino are almost from the album verbatim.......
Never heard live versions of the other 2 songs though.

yet the live versions of Domino are much more powerful. Worth checking out the version from 'The Longs' ,turn the f**ker up loud and then watch your house shudderTongue
Agree and the version from live at Wembley Dvd is even better IMO
 Imposiible for me making a comparison like that... kind of nonsense comparing completely different styles even talking about live shows, btw i would like to know what Gilmour and Collins' music have in common.
Domino is a song mainly written by Banks
Don't see a remarkable difference from the rest of that album

Evidently it is a subjective matter. For me tracks like Domino and Brazilian (both two mainly from Banks) makes a notable difference with the rest of the album and not only in musical terms. The concept of the track, the lyric, the storyline...
IMO Domino and Sorrow are two songs perfectly comparable.

 
Ouchh... Different minds, different subjective opinions, etc., i'd better go dancing some Genesis hit in a Disco, let's see if i change my mind then...


Edited by Rick Robson - March 20 2014 at 09:49


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2014 at 09:41
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:



Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:


Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Of couse , live versions of Sorrow are exceptional..........
Live versions of Domino are almost from the album verbatim.......
Never heard live versions of the other 2 songs though.

yet the live versions of Domino are much more powerful. Worth checking out the version from 'The Longs' ,turn the f**ker up loud and then watch your house shudderTongue
Agree and the version from live at Wembley Dvd is even better IMO
 Imposiible for me making a comparison like that... kind of nonsense comparing completely different styles even talking about live shows, btw i would like to know what Gilmour and Collins' music have in common.
Domino is a song mainly written by Banks
Don't see a remarkable difference from the rest of that album

Evidently it is a subjective matter. For me tracks like Domino and Brazilian (both two mainly from Banks) makes a notable difference with the rest of the album and not only in musical terms. The concept of the track, the lyric, the storyline...
IMO Domino and Sorrow are two songs perfectly comparable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2014 at 09:39
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:



Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:


Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Of couse , live versions of Sorrow are exceptional..........
Live versions of Domino are almost from the album verbatim.......
Never heard live versions of the other 2 songs though.

yet the live versions of Domino are much more powerful. Worth checking out the version from 'The Longs' ,turn the f**ker up loud and then watch your house shudderTongue
Agree and the version from live at Wembley Dvd is even better IMO
 Imposiible for me making a comparison like that... kind of nonsense comparing completely different styles even talking about live shows, btw i would like to know what Gilmour and Collins' music have in common.
Domino is a song mainly written by Banks
Don't see a remarkable difference from the rest of that album

Evidently it is a subjective matter. For me tracks like Domino and Brazilian (both two mainly from Banks) makes a notable difference with the rest of the album and not only in musical terms. The concept of the track, the lyric, the storyline...
IMO Domino and Sorrow are two songs perfectly comparable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2014 at 09:07
Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:


Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Of couse , live versions of Sorrow are exceptional..........
Live versions of Domino are almost from the album verbatim.......
Never heard live versions of the other 2 songs though.

yet the live versions of Domino are much more powerful. Worth checking out the version from 'The Longs' ,turn the f**ker up loud and then watch your house shudderTongue
Agree and the version from live at Wembley Dvd is even better IMO
 Imposiible for me making a comparison like that... kind of nonsense comparing completely different styles even talking about live shows, btw i would like to know what Gilmour and Collins' music have in common.
Domino is a song mainly written by Banks

Don't see a remarkable difference from the rest of that album


Edited by Rick Robson - March 20 2014 at 09:09


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2014 at 08:48
I like The Score. That's a real house shaker, but I'll go with Domino..The only really good track from IT.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2014 at 08:41
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:


Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Of couse , live versions of Sorrow are exceptional..........
Live versions of Domino are almost from the album verbatim.......
Never heard live versions of the other 2 songs though.

yet the live versions of Domino are much more powerful. Worth checking out the version from 'The Longs' ,turn the f**ker up loud and then watch your house shudderTongue
Agree and the version from live at Wembley Dvd is even better IMO
 Imposiible for me making a comparison like that... kind of nonsense comparing completely different styles even talking about live shows, btw i would like to know what Gilmour and Collins' music have in common.
Domino is a song mainly written by Banks
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