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ebil0505
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Topic: Concept Albums Posted: March 21 2014 at 18:53 |
Hey I just wanted to hear what everyone's favorite concept albums are! What their story is, how the artist structures it, etc. Mainly because I can't seem to isolate them here on PA and I'm always curious to hear a new story. Thanks!
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Posted: March 21 2014 at 19:43 |
I love The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway: answering your question I love everything on it, the story the artwork and obviously the music
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"Cranberry sauce" The Beatles - Strawberry Fields Forever
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Posted: March 21 2014 at 20:21 |
For me, it would have to be Wish You Were Here. As a freshman in college, I spent a week sitting outside the student union, in line for tickets for the Grateful Dead. At the time, I had no idea who the Grateful Dead were, nor did I know what their music sounded like. We got tickets, and then I listened to some Grateful Dead music. Hated them, so I sold my ticket. The night of the concert, with all my friends gone, I sat in a darkened dorm room, beer in hand, and put the needle down onto an album a friend had loaned me - Wish You Were Here. I was instantly mesmerized. To this day, every time I listen to this album, I am immediately transported back to that darkened dorm room...
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Posted: March 21 2014 at 21:56 |
Here's my top five:
The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars - Bowie (not a bad song in the bunch) Thick as a Brick - Tull (great concept made greater by the fantastic album cover design) Quadrophenia - The Who (their most mature and involving album) Dark Side of the Moon - Floyd (sonically perfect) Days of Future Passed - The Moody Blues (one of the most beautiful rock albums ever created)
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Posted: March 22 2014 at 04:25 |
Not mentioned yet: Ayreon - The Human Equation
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Posted: March 22 2014 at 08:44 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
Here's my top five:
The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars - Bowie (not a bad song in the bunch)Thick as a Brick - Tull (great concept made greater by the fantastic album cover design) Quadrophenia - The Who (their most mature and involving album) Dark Side of the Moon - Floyd (sonically perfect) Days of Future Passed - The Moody Blues (one of the most beautiful rock albums ever created)
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Excellent choices! I would also include Tales from Topographic Oceans by Yes. Sprawling, beautiful, thought-provoking. An all around great album.
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Posted: March 22 2014 at 09:45 |
Triumvirat-Illusions On A Double Dimple Triumvirat-Spartacus
You can relate to Illusions if you have ever been "down and out", it being the story of someone who loses their job, and feels like hell afterwards. If ever there was a concept album about an individual fighting a rotten and decayed "system", Spartacus fits the bill. The effort of the true life gladiator who led a revolt against Imperial Rome is depicted, but he and his followers are defeated in the end. Sad, but heroic and moving are the lyrics and music.
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Posted: March 22 2014 at 10:08 |
Some of my favourites
Neal Morse - ? Based on the Tabernacle/Temple of the Old Testament and it's fulfillment in the New
Neal Morse - Sola Scriptura The story of Martin Luther and his conflict with the corrupt medieval church
Argus - Wishbone Ash
Dark Side Of The Moon
The Snow Goose - Camel
The Whirlwind - Transatlantic
Snow - Spock's Beard (similar theme to Tommy or The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway)
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Posted: March 22 2014 at 10:25 |
Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime Devin Townsend presents Ziltoid The Omniscient The Who - Quadrophenia Yes - Tales From Topographic Oceans Blur - 13 David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love Camel - The Snow Goose Carach Angren - Where The Corpses Sink Forever Alice Cooper - Welcome To My Nightmare Cradle Of Filth - Cruelty And The Beast Dream Theater - Metropolis Part 2 Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade Of Gray Gentle Giant - Three Friends, Power And Glory, Interview, In A Glass House Haken - Visions Iron Maiden - 7th Son Of A 7th Son Judas Priest - Nostradamus The Kinks - Preservation Act 1 and 2 Magma - most of them Mars Volta - Deloused In The Comatorium Mastodon - Crack The Skye Men WIthout Hats - Pop Goes The World Modest Mouse - The Moon And Antactica Nocturnus - The Key Pink Floyd - Dark Side, Wish You Were Here, Animals, The Wall Porcupine Tree - Deadwing, Fear Of A... Queens Of The Stone Age - Songs For The Deaf Radiohead - OK Computer, Kid A, Amnesiac The Tubes - Remote Control Stevie Wonder - Songs In The Key Of Life Zappa - Thing-Fish, Absolutely Free and more!
Just a few i like but hardly everything. Some of these are only mildly conceptional but count
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moshkito
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Posted: March 22 2014 at 12:32 |
Hi,
I'm all for these and I can add many to the list, but there are way too many rock bands that create a "concept album" and it is not, and just has a bunch of songs that supposedly add up to this idea or whatever, and I don't think that "fits" the description or the wording for the "concept" within a literary context, let's say! In other words, very few of these are really meaningful and valid as a true story/concept per proper/concise definition.
Rock music, takes a lot of liberties, and distorting the definitions is often the first one, and that helps create some sub-divisions and stuff, for websites like this one, that in essence are not valid if one follows the dictionary definition of the word.
There are, however, many pieces that are much better "centered" and designed, that I feel help define the "progressive" circus a lot better than half the listings made here.
Of note, would be the more complete pieces that are not just a song or two!
Roger Waters - Ca Ira (no guitar? No one will listen to it!)
Pink Floyd - The Wall - the original with the material that ended up in "The Final Cut" so the story makes better sense with the parents! (compare this to any other PF album!)
Nektar - Remember the Future (compare this to "Recycled")
Le Orme - Felona e Serona
And then you get to the classical music ones! So, because the music was like this and that, that's supposed to tell you a story about this and that?
Edited by moshkito - March 22 2014 at 12:43
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Posted: March 22 2014 at 14:09 |
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
I'm all for these and I can add many to the list, but there are way too many rock bands that create a "concept album" and it is not, and just has a bunch of songs that supposedly add up to this idea or whatever, and I don't think that "fits" the description or the wording for the "concept" within a literary context, let's say! In other words, very few of these are really meaningful and valid as a true story/concept per proper/concise definition.
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I sorta see why this disappoints you Pedro but your expectations of form are completely unrealistic. Music is music and literature is stubbornly...always literature. Not even Opera/Ballet* has managed to synthesize the sonic, theatrical, dance and textual realms into a completely satisfying whole that does justice to all four disciplines (Have you ever read one of Mozart's Operas? the music's great but the librettos make Chitty Chitty Bang Bang appear labyrinthine.) Unfortunately you are not in a literary context you are in a musical context with Progressive Rock. The heart of Prog's innate weakness was being largely populated by long winded instrumentalists who couldn't string two words together. *You'll notice I've left Cinema out of my list (because that's your stated realm and I ain't gonna go there) Yes, there are quite a few pseudo concept albums which are just a selection of songs hastily sheltering under a flimsy thematic umbrella but most of these appear to be deemed so only by their fans who clearly need a weather man to tell them which way the wind blows/sucks.
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moshkito
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Posted: March 22 2014 at 14:54 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
I'm all for these and I can add many to the list, but there are way too many rock bands that create a "concept album" and it is not, and just has a bunch of songs that supposedly add up to this idea or whatever, and I don't think that "fits" the description or the wording for the "concept" within a literary context, let's say! In other words, very few of these are really meaningful and valid as a true story/concept per proper/concise definition.
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I sorta see why this disappoints you Pedro but your expectations of form are completely unrealistic. Music is music and literature is stubbornly...always literature. Not even Opera/Ballet* has managed to synthesize the sonic, theatrical, dance and textual realms into a completely satisfying whole that does justice to all four disciplines (Have you ever read one of Mozart's Operas? the music's great but the librettos make Chitty Chitty Bang Bang appear labyrinthine.) Unfortunately you are not in a literary context you are in a musical context with Progressive Rock. The heart of Prog's innate weakness was being largely populated by long winded instrumentalists who couldn't string two words together. *You'll notice I've left Cinema out of my list (because that's your stated realm and I ain't gonna go there)... |
And you are suggesting that other "classical" instrumentalists and musicians could? I'll tell you what! A Vivaldi, Bach or Albinoni, wouldn't be as good today as the Rolling Stones or most rock'n'roll bands, musically!
Music is also ... stubbornly always "music". An IDEA.
Literature is also an IDEA, and I accept that.
The point is that what has been considered a part of the history of music, of art (get Jensen's History of Art), and or literature, is there for a reason, and that usually points out to a lot more than we give credit for in here (for example) for any of the music, and I want to elevate that because there is a lot of stuff that was, and IS, being done that stands up to the history of the art form extremelly well, except that some of us don't think that "pop" music fits. What we're on about, is NOT, "pop music".
The standards are different, just not stupid and stuck up like the local symphony that thinks Frank Zappa is a sheep dip! But then it also means they never heard anything except the enemma bandeet or something like it!
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: March 22 2014 at 20:59 |
moshkito wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
I'm all for these and I can add many to the list, but there are way too many rock bands that create a "concept album" and it is not, and just has a bunch of songs that supposedly add up to this idea or whatever, and I don't think that "fits" the description or the wording for the "concept" within a literary context, let's say! In other words, very few of these are really meaningful and valid as a true story/concept per proper/concise definition.
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I sorta see why this disappoints you Pedro but your expectations of form are completely unrealistic. Music is music and literature is stubbornly...always literature. Not even Opera/Ballet* has managed to synthesize the sonic, theatrical, dance and textual realms into a completely satisfying whole that does justice to all four disciplines (Have you ever read one of Mozart's Operas? the music's great but the librettos make Chitty Chitty Bang Bang appear labyrinthine.) Unfortunately you are not in a literary context you are in a musical context with Progressive Rock. The heart of Prog's innate weakness was being largely populated by long winded instrumentalists who couldn't string two words together. *You'll notice I've left Cinema out of my list (because that's your stated realm and I ain't gonna go there)... |
And you are suggesting that other "classical" instrumentalists and musicians could? I'll tell you what! A Vivaldi, Bach or Albinoni, wouldn't be as good today as the Rolling Stones or most rock'n'roll bands, musically!
Music is also ... stubbornly always "music". An IDEA.
Literature is also an IDEA, and I accept that.
The point is that what has been considered a part of the history of music, of art (get Jensen's History of Art), and or literature, is there for a reason, and that usually points out to a lot more than we give credit for in here (for example) for any of the music, and I want to elevate that because there is a lot of stuff that was, and IS, being done that stands up to the history of the art form extremelly well, except that some of us don't think that "pop" music fits. What we're on about, is NOT, "pop music".
The standards are different, just not stupid and stuck up like the local symphony that thinks Frank Zappa is a sheep dip! But then it also means they never heard anything except the enemma bandeet or something like it!
| No, I'm actually saying the exact opposite and without
any ambivalence either: I don't believe anyone from either the classical
or popular music spheres has fused the disparate elements of
dance/music/theatre and literature into a satisfying whole that does
justice to all four elements. We're talking about concept albums by
Progressive Rock groups remember, which divorced from the live
performance realm, are a fusion of textual and musical ingredients. If
Vivaldi, Bach or Albinoni were still alive today they would all still
conspire to look younger and better dressed than Keith Richards, but I
digress: to suggest that the Stones are better musically than
these composers when the former haven't released an album of credible
merit for over 30 years rather beggars belief. I'm a huge Stones fan but
would be the first to admit that their oeuvre is that of a distillation
and refinement of primitive blues, folk and pop forms. Why does pop
music you like cease to be pop music Pedro? (is it because you simply
cannot bear the thought that those with half your intellect enjoy it
just as much, if not more than you do and for all the right reasons?) I
think I'll pass on Jensen's History of Art because I suspect it's
full of the sort of self serving academia that the counter culture you
profess to have lived through, was designed to eradicate. Sometimes a
person's pride can be greater than their love. So here's a joke by
Martin Amis to illustrate:
…Did you ever hear the one about the Jewish mother who ran along the
beach shouting, “Help, help, my son the doctor is drowning!”?
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Posted: March 22 2014 at 21:47 |
How 'bout Marillion's Misplaced Childhood or it's follow-up Clutching At Straws? The All-European album from Galleon is pretty amazing stuff too!
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Posted: March 22 2014 at 22:05 |
I also agree with Octopus-4. Although all Ayreon albums are concept albums. Explorers' Club made 2 decent concept albums. Riverside has a few great concept albums. I don't know any Glass Hammer album which isn't a concept album. Hawkwind is a bit more psychedelic but has also great concept albums.How about the New York-based band Izz? Their last 3 albums all have a concept or story to tell. Kaipa has a couple of great concept albums too! The list is a bit long so I think I'll stop there for now!
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Posted: March 22 2014 at 22:19 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
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"Sometimes a person's pride can be greater than their love." Hey, right on - that's one of the biggest problems of our society nowadays... Very well pointed. Talking about the topic, i'd rather be sincere, i have rarely paid attention to the lyrics of the music in general, my concern is if it's kind of a weird problem of myself indeed, like a difficulty and/or laziness of myself when listening to any music, also if it's in my mother language. I don't know if it's related to memory matters, just saying this all because my mother suffers from Alzheimer's. But regarding the topic content, very interesting what you pointed about the Mozart's Operas - what does that librettos indeed stand for?
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Posted: March 22 2014 at 22:25 |
I love a lot of the albums mentioned thus far. Great examples! Lamb was my first thought too. Ones I love and haven't seen listed yet are: The Perfect Element Pt. 1 and Remedy Lane - Pain of Salvation. Still Life and Ghost Reveries - Opeth Second Life Syndrome, Anno Domini High Definition, and Shrine of New Generation Slaves - Riverside The Mountain - Haken
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Posted: March 22 2014 at 22:28 |
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I love The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway: answering your question I love everything on it, the story the artwork and obviously the music |
Me too, agree 100%---but I also have a special place for (see avatar
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Posted: March 23 2014 at 15:01 |
tboyd1802 wrote:
For me, it would have to be Wish You Were Here. As a freshman in college, I spent a week sitting outside the student union, in line for tickets for the Grateful Dead. At the time, I had no idea who the Grateful Dead were, nor did I know what their music sounded like. We got tickets, and then I listened to some Grateful Dead music. Hated them, so I sold my ticket. The night of the concert, with all my friends gone, I sat in a darkened dorm room, beer in hand, and put the needle down onto an album a friend had loaned me - Wish You Were Here. I was instantly mesmerized. To this day, every time I listen to this album, I am immediately transported back to that darkened dorm room... | That's a really cool story
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Posted: March 24 2014 at 04:08 |
Every album's a concept album.
I assume stated thematic narrative? But not say, War by U2 or Bad Girls by Giorgio Moroder (whose inclusion in PA as a suites of music creator makes the Prog Disco sub genre an interesting idea). Oh, and Sandininsta by The Clash proving punk can be at least as pretentious and appalling ( I know I've sat through it) as any prog album they vilified. Enough comedy.
I like ones by Univers Zero and Present. Especially Rhythmix, possibly not quite so much for say, Clivages. Of course it's instrumental so that makes it (Rhythmix) easy for me to follow. When the musical (not literary) narrative is clear from the continuity of the music then pretty much everything can be a concept album.
Zappa has loads of 'em and Magma have a concept career.
To an extent I tend to view Floyd in the same narrative light from when Roger Took up his stethoscope and walked, through to Atom Heart Mother, The Ron Geesin album, to The Wall and Final Cut has having such linkage. It's not as though he just had several single entity ideas but one big idea looked at, and expressed through different ways. That of life.
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