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Posted: April 07 2014 at 14:29
Stargazer will always sound great to me even the cheesy over the top lyrics
My boss dragged me along to a Dio gig in Camden Town albout 10 years ago on the pretext he was going to perform a bunch of Rainbow songs... he didn't
I can't think of anything to fit this thread. I loved The Sweet when I was a kid and I still love their best material. Give Us A Wink stands the test of time for me.
Queen I sort of got bored with very quickly although they were almost as good as The Sweet on a good day
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 02:49
richardh wrote:
Stargazer will always sound great to me even the cheesy over the top lyrics
Absolutely - Stargazer/Light In The Black was the highpoint for me of Rainbow's studio output; Dio's responsible for some absolute stone cold classics, but my point is when you look back, you only remember the real classic songs.
It's not just Dio (far from it - I just used him as an example of leaving his albums in my past with 30 year old rose coloured specs to prevent disappointment), but you know how it is with that album you remember when maybe a little tiddly & within reach of Amazon's 'buy with one click' button - when the purchase arrives, the classic riffs inside your head then get joined to the less than classic filler tracks & the ill judged attempt at a commercial single. The classic drum fills you remember reveal themselves to actually sound like a pile of saucepans being played by your granny with knitting needles & that killer moog solo now sounds like someone drowning a duck in custard...
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 03:09
Yeah, you gotta admit much of his solo output is pretty ropey. I remember reading a review for The Last in Line arguing convincingly for it being the source of every stereotype people have about "generic '80s metal". (I'm not actually persuaded though)
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 10:01
Toaster Mantis wrote:
Yeah, you gotta admit much of his solo output is pretty ropey. I remember reading a review for The Last in Line arguing convincingly for it being the source of every stereotype people have about "generic '80s metal". (I'm not actually persuaded though)
It kind of did slip into a generic 80s metal rut. Maybe more on the NWOBHM side of things, which meant it was still listenable but by Sacred Heart it got very repetitive. It was ok for Dio to reprise the formula of the two Sabbath albums for Holy Diver but he really needed to get a move on thereafter.
when you get a moment Jim, I'd love your recipe for Custard-drowned Duck
Call me an old faeces cataloging buffoon if you like, but would a Moog solo where the duck was spared it's unedifying creme patissiere demise, resemble a normal Moog solo?
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Posted: April 16 2014 at 02:55
ExittheLemming wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
when you get a moment Jim, I'd love your recipe for Custard-drowned Duck
Call me an old faeces cataloging buffoon if you like, but would a Moog solo where the duck was spared it's unedifying creme patissiere demise, resemble a normal Moog solo?
An interesting question.
Think of one of the best moog solos you can (most of Mr Wakeman's oevre should suffice in this case, but I'd recommend in particular the 1972 live coda of Starship Trooper) - this is a prime example of said waterfowl not only escaping said demise, but actively enjoying a pleasant swim in a nice warm bowl of creme anglais.
Now think of the closing section of ELP's 'Lucky Man'*
Dead duck.
*the most un-necessary & overblown moog solo in history where even Carl Palmer gets bored halfway through, stops playing & buggers off down the pub
I used to own a Vanilla Fudge album in my youth (don't remember which one) and I had a listen to some of their stuff on Spotify the other day.
All I can say is . I know they had quite an influence on Yes in their early days (i.e. doing long cover versions) but even so...
I thought their music was awful ..even when I first heard it in the 60's and most people thought it was cool. It influenced Deep Purple to some extreme measures, but it had little to do with the way that Vince Martell played guitar. I couldn't understand the hype because if Syd Barrett were to take LSD, D-tune his guitar and strum endlessly, it would sound a light year better or beyond anything Vince Martell could produce. I mean..just listen to his solo's in "The Break Song". What's up with that? The vocal style of Vanilla Fudge was technically good, but the style ..I was not fond of. Carmine Appice was a very influential drummer to generations of musicians. He's a superb Jazz player and fused a slight Ginger Baker mentality with a Jazz style that inspired many great drummers in the Rock industry to approach drumming differently. Honest to God...Carmine Appice had a huge impact in the world of musicians. It's just a little shady how he has often hooked up with the wrong units. Vanilla Fudge influenced many bands because of their structure and their brilliant idea to combine the usage of organ and guitar which colored a change to Rock music. It doesn't give them medals for being some outstanding band in the jamming or writing department. Deep Purple just wanted to be a lot like them regarding structure because they had their own ideas on how to develop it further, creating a more distinctive appealing sound that supposedly went on to influence Metal.
Dream Theater: Metropolis pt 2 through octavarium. Can never understand what I loved so much about that stuff, can't stand it anymore. The albums before that I still listen to seldomly but in small doses.
Same thing goes for Rush... do not like them anymore
I used to get such a rush () from that stuff... what happened? And I'm not even going to try to mention stuff I liked before the progaissance
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Posted: April 16 2014 at 11:57
The first 2 ELP albums are the only ones I can still listen to with a straight face (and I still love Tarkus). Virtuosity and outrageous keyboard sounds just don't impress me like they used to.
I've always felt a little bad about never being a fan of the Vanilla Fudge. Seeing Johnny's post above made me feel a little better about myself.
Edited by HolyMoly - April 16 2014 at 11:59
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