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Poll Question: How do you like your lyrics?
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    Posted: April 05 2014 at 19:21
How do you prefer lyrics? Do you like lyrics to be personal/anecdotal to the writer, or more general?

Examples would be:
VDGG's still life is personal
Genesis' Selling England would be more general
Pink Floyd's The Wall is personal
Jethro Tull's Thick As A Brick is general
David Bowie's Station to Station is personal
Yes' Drama is general
Marillion's Clutching at Straws is personal
Pink Floyd's Animals is general

Edited by The Mystical - April 05 2014 at 19:23
I am currently digging:

Hawkwind, Rare Bird, Gong, Tangerine Dream, Khan, Iron Butterfly, and all things canterbury and hard-psych. I also love jazz!

Please drop me a message with album suggestions.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Horizons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2014 at 19:23
Personal, because they cut deeper. 

But i love imagery of storytelling. Hammill does both - one of my favorite lyricists. Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Dark Elf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2014 at 20:04
It depends on the lyric, doesn't it? If it's great lyrics, whether personal or general, I will probably like the song. Likewise, lyrics can be crappy with either style. Can't vote.
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It's not the format, it's how they are written so I can't vote either way.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Horizons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2014 at 20:44
You fence sitters..

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Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Personal, because they cut deeper. 

But i love imagery of storytelling. Hammill does both - one of my favorite lyricists. Wink

Exactly this Smile

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Generally personal to the writer, but there are exceptions.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ole-the-first Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2014 at 22:41
I really don't believe that there is really such a thing as differentiation between personal and general in lyrics. All the general lyrics contain author's personal views, and, vice versa, personal lyrics could be applied to many people, thus, being somewhat general.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote twosteves Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2014 at 23:11
Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

It's not the format, it's how they are written so I can't vote either way.

This.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote uduwudu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 01:57
Kobaian, so I can't tell either way. Wink

But yes, it is how they are written and how the writer wants listeners (or readers) to get the idea and how the ,er, consumer relates or reacts to the subject matter.

It's not that I don't want to vote but how does one choose? Possibly we don't...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 05:38
If someone can tell me which category IQ- The Wake falls into then I will vote for that.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote someone_else Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 06:04
Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

It's not the format, it's how they are written so I can't vote either way.
 
This.
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We'll never know what the author's intentions were so all lyrics, regardless of their being perceived as personal or general can only affect us on a subjective level. If the lyrics don't move or connect with us in any shape or form, then we might as well be listening to an audiobook.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NotAProghead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 06:30
Originally posted by ole-the-first ole-the-first wrote:

I really don't believe that there is really such a thing as differentiation between personal and general in lyrics. All the general lyrics contain author's personal views, and, vice versa, personal lyrics could be applied to many people, thus, being somewhat general.
Exactly so.

Once I was lucky to have a short chat with Ken Hensley. He often says that most of his songs are a product of his imagination. When I said that these songs are more than just songs for me, they are in some way personal, he answered: "For me too". Smile
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 If a song's lyrics paint a picture for me but not for you, or vice versa, then it is what it is. It's the ones that make you look at yourself in the mirror that I like best...
"There's only one direction in the faces that I see;
It's upward to the ceiling, where the chambers said to be.
Like the forest fight for sunlight, that takes root in every tree.
They are pulled up by the magnet, believing they're free."
 
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Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

It's not the format, it's how they are written so I can't vote either way.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 09:18
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

It depends on the lyric, doesn't it? If it's great lyrics, whether personal or general, I will probably like the song. Likewise, lyrics can be crappy with either style. Can't vote.

Well said.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 11:27
Originally posted by The Mystical The Mystical wrote:

How do you prefer lyrics? Do you like lyrics to be personal/anecdotal to the writer, or more general?
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I prefer not to define that.
 
Why?
 
In the late 60's and early 70's the influence of folks like Burroughs (Naked Lunch) created a sort of 52 pickup for lyrics, that actually went fairly well. In Germany the equivalent was in theater where Damo and Malcom came out of, and that group ended up bringing about Wim Wenders and others as well.
 
It was a time for experimentation and improvisation without limits, and thus, a lot of work followed that did a lot of different things, than is conventionally accepted and understood ... which is the key. We tend to not like things we don't understand!
 
And that hurts our appreciation for a lot of music, lyrics and otherwise!
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote genbanks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2014 at 12:37
Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

It's not the format, it's how they are written so I can't vote either way.
 
This.

And, this too

Example, I love One for the vine lyrics as Afterglow lyrics, and the fact about if it is personal or not nothing has to do which the reasons why I like both two...
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