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Chris S 
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 Topic: Lyrics - Personal or General?
Posted: April 08 2014 at 05:11 |
Cannot get my head around this poll 
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King Crimson776
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 04:54 |
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General, and I would think prog fans would generally feel that way. Actually, the best might be personal which leads into something universal. I feel like Hammill often does this, which is a big part of why he's one of my favorite lyricists.
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richardh
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Posted: April 07 2014 at 14:13 |
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Dean
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Posted: April 07 2014 at 11:48 |
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I don't want to listen to anyone's personal whining and whinging, least of all some pretentious rawk singer. What insight on anything could they possibly offer that would be anything other than some random words strung together to sound right when sung over a pretty melody better way no more, woh, woh, woh, woh, let me free no more.
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What?
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TerLJack
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Posted: April 07 2014 at 11:42 |
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I voted personal only 'cause asked a preference. It doesn't mean there aren't great songs that are general though. When I started thinking about personal, "It Wouldn't Have Made Any Difference" came to mind and I couldn't think of any other. That song was exactly where my head was at when I first heard it. I've never forgotten that.
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Progosopher
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Posted: April 07 2014 at 11:05 |
As long as the lyrics really say something, I don't care. Or perhaps general with a personal touch or vice-verse. 
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The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
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Lynx33
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Posted: April 07 2014 at 01:20 |
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none. instrumental.
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Mindez elmúlt. Ma már tudom köszönteni a szépséget.
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proggman
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Posted: April 06 2014 at 17:09 |
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I like both, but I'll choose Personal.
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When he rides, my fears subside.
For darkness turns once more to light.
Through the skies, his white horse flies.
To find a land beyond the night.
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genbanks
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Posted: April 06 2014 at 12:37 |
 someone_else wrote:
Dr. Occulator wrote:
It's not the format, it's how they are written so I can't vote either way. |
This. |
And, this too
Example, I love One for the vine lyrics as Afterglow lyrics, and the fact about if it is personal or not nothing has to do which the reasons why I like both two...
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moshkito
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Posted: April 06 2014 at 11:27 |
The Mystical wrote:
How do you prefer lyrics? Do you like lyrics to be personal/anecdotal to the writer, or more general?
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I prefer not to define that.
Why?
In the late 60's and early 70's the influence of folks like Burroughs (Naked Lunch) created a sort of 52 pickup for lyrics, that actually went fairly well. In Germany the equivalent was in theater where Damo and Malcom came out of, and that group ended up bringing about Wim Wenders and others as well.
It was a time for experimentation and improvisation without limits, and thus, a lot of work followed that did a lot of different things, than is conventionally accepted and understood ... which is the key. We tend to not like things we don't understand!
And that hurts our appreciation for a lot of music, lyrics and otherwise!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Manuel
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Posted: April 06 2014 at 09:18 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
It depends on the lyric, doesn't it? If it's great lyrics, whether personal or general, I will probably like the song. Likewise, lyrics can be crappy with either style. Can't vote. |
Well said.
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Xonty
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Posted: April 06 2014 at 07:05 |
Dr. Occulator wrote:
It's not the format, it's how they are written so I can't vote either way. |
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deafmoon
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Posted: April 06 2014 at 06:40 |
If a song's lyrics paint a picture for me but not for you, or vice versa, then it is what it is. It's the ones that make you look at yourself in the mirror that I like best... "There's only one direction in the faces that I see;
It's upward to the ceiling, where the chambers said to be.
Like the forest fight for sunlight, that takes root in every tree.
They are pulled up by the magnet, believing they're free."
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NotAProghead
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Posted: April 06 2014 at 06:30 |
ole-the-first wrote:
I really don't believe that there is really such a thing as differentiation between personal and general in lyrics. All the general lyrics contain author's personal views, and, vice versa, personal lyrics could be applied to many people, thus, being somewhat general.
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Exactly so.
Once I was lucky to have a short chat with Ken Hensley. He often says that most of his songs are a product of his imagination. When I said that these songs are more than just songs for me, they are in some way personal, he answered: "For me too". 
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: April 06 2014 at 06:30 |
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We'll never know what the author's intentions were so all lyrics, regardless of their being perceived as personal or general can only affect us on a subjective level. If the lyrics don't move or connect with us in any shape or form, then we might as well be listening to an audiobook.
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someone_else
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Posted: April 06 2014 at 06:04 |
Dr. Occulator wrote:
It's not the format, it's how they are written so I can't vote either way. |
This.
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richardh
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Posted: April 06 2014 at 05:38 |
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If someone can tell me which category IQ- The Wake falls into then I will vote for that.
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uduwudu
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Posted: April 06 2014 at 01:57 |
Kobaian, so I can't tell either way.  But yes, it is how they are written and how the writer wants listeners (or readers) to get the idea and how the ,er, consumer relates or reacts to the subject matter. It's not that I don't want to vote but how does one choose? Possibly we don't...
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twosteves
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Posted: April 05 2014 at 23:11 |
Dr. Occulator wrote:
It's not the format, it's how they are written so I can't vote either way. |
This.
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ole-the-first
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Posted: April 05 2014 at 22:41 |
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I really don't believe that there is really such a thing as differentiation between personal and general in lyrics. All the general lyrics contain author's personal views, and, vice versa, personal lyrics could be applied to many people, thus, being somewhat general.
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This night wounds time.
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