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    Posted: August 31 2014 at 05:38
Regarding to Triumvirat, i'm curious. Have you tried their first album before? It's named "Mediterranian Tales" if i am not mistaken. It's quite good in my opinion
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It seems we are in accord. Even the title indicates what to expect in a way. Rather than a set that is pre determined like a meal, each song has a different influence and it is like a pick and choose order of songs, hence, A La Carte.


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Originally posted by Inceptional Inceptional wrote:

Thank you for backing me up. I also wanted to mention one other observation on Ala Carte. I consider all aspects of an album. Each has a unique personality. Although the music is the most important part, the other elements somehow should reflect or enhance the listening experience. Having said that I will now make my point. Sometimes the album cover can contribute to what you are about to listen to and the cover for A La Carte is so very spot on. The music on A La Carte has a very festive, out for a elegant evening  feel to it that the cover photo captures perfectly. Doug, I would like to know if it hit you the same way.
Yes, it does. I will add that the cover and music both have what I feel is a "Continental European vibe" to it. Though I've never visited Europe, that album's music and cover remind me of what I envisage Europe to feel like, in a way. I would love to visit Germany!
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Ehh? What did he say?
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Thank you for backing me up. I also wanted to mention one other observation on Ala Carte. I consider all aspects of an album. Each has a unique personality. Although the music is the most important part, the other elements somehow should reflect or enhance the listening experience. Having said that I will now make my point. Sometimes the album cover can contribute to what you are about to listen to and the cover for A La Carte is so very spot on. The music on A La Carte has a very festive, out for a elegant evening  feel to it that the cover photo captures perfectly. Doug, I would like to know if it hit you the same way.
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Originally posted by Inceptional Inceptional wrote:

Hold off on the rocking chair. I BELIEVE you are right about Hemmings although I don't remember Yes. You might want to lend me the chair though because I now believe I remember 2 more. Hawkwind (doing Master of The Universe) and Strawbs (Hero and Heroin era). I just can't remember if it was TV or a very early video cassette. Help if you can.

I'd like to back up and say it was on Don Kirshner's Rock Concert where I saw Yes, not the Midnight Special. I think the former was where you might have seen at least the Strawbs, eh, sonny!
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I just listened to A La Carte in it's entirety, and concur and agree with Inceptional's observations. My fave songs are Waterfall and For You as they are structurally the most broad and expansive songs on the album, and A Bavarian In New York, where Fritz's keyboard skills come to the fore the most, and OCSID where there is the greatest instrumental "group synergy" present. The album is well produced, accessible and has a good flow to it musically. The vocals are nice as well.


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I only have the 'classic 3', Illusions, Spartacus and Mediterranean Tales, all of them great albums, Illusions being my favourite.
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Hold off on the rocking chair.  I BELIEVE you are right about Hemmings although I don't remember Yes. You might want to lend me the chair though because I now believe I remember 2 more. Hawkwind (doing Master of The Universe) and Strawbs (Hero and Heroin era). I just can't remember if it was TV or a very early video cassette. Help if you can.
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Originally posted by Inceptional Inceptional wrote:

Hi RednightI don't remember too many actual prog bands being broadcast. Rock bands yes but prog was few and far between. I remember seeing Focus and Procol Harum and I think PFM. I also vividly remember a special concert that was broadcast of Rick Wakeman doing the entire Journey LP. It was complete with orchestra and the narrator who was sitting in a big suspended wicker chair reading the narrative. The old movie with Pat Boone was playing on a big screen in the background. Pretty cool as I remember.In line with your billboard memory I also have one. I remember being stunned when a local newscast was using Wall of Doom as lead out music before a commercial for an entire summer. The first time I heard it I could not believe it. Everything was so mainstream on TV back then. I was floored when I heard it.


Your memories are my memories, although I believe I did see Yes on a Midnight Special once (I have a feeling there's some website on the show's broadcasts that may prove me wrong). As for Rick Wakeman's Journey', it was the late English actor David Hemmings who provided the narration on the recording and, I believe the In Concert special. With the word "believe" being used here, I could be wrong again, but were talking about 40 years ago here. Bring me my rocking chair.
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^^Those are interesting memories, guys. I am 51, so was too young around the early to mid seventies to really understand things the way you older blokes did. I do have a dvd with some footage of Gentle Giant from 1975 with the In Concert backdrop. It's called Giant On The Box, and also a dvd with a bit of Wishbone Ash In Concert footage from 1973 which is called Phoenix Rising. My only direct tv prog memories from the early seventies were Edgar Winter doing Frankenstein around '73, and a snippet of ELP with Emerson going at his keyboard in around '73, as well. I did not discover T'rat until around 1985, after they stopped touring and recording.


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Hi Rednight

I don't remember too many actual prog bands being broadcast. Rock bands yes but prog was few and far between. I remember seeing Focus and Procol Harum and I think PFM. I also vividly remember a special concert that was broadcast of Rick Wakeman doing the entire Journey LP. It was complete with orchestra and the narrator who was sitting in a big suspended wicker chair reading the narrative. The old movie with Pat Boone was playing on a big screen in the background. Pretty cool as I remember.

In line with your billboard memory I also have one. I remember being stunned when a local newscast was using Wall of Doom as lead out music before a commercial for an entire summer. The first time I heard it I could not believe it. Everything was so mainstream on TV back then.  I was floored when I heard it.
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Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

That could be a whole new thread: '70's prog acts that were on either ABC's In Concert or NBC's Midnight Special. Anyway, I missed Triuvirat on the former but did actually see a billboard along the freeway leading into Fresno, Calif. during a mid-'70s camping trip to Yosemite that advertised the band's Old Loves Die Hard album.


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That could be a whole new thread: '70's prog acts that were on either ABC's In Concert or NBC's Midnight Special. Anyway, I missed Triuvirat on the former but did actually see a billboard along the freeway leading into Fresno, Calif. during a mid-'70s camping trip to Yosemite that advertised the band's Old Loves Die Hard album.
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The exact announcement is "From the German school of progressive music, please welcome to In Concert, the sounds of Triumvirat". If the boots that are out there do not have this then how does anyone know it came from In Concert? There is a beginning and ending to the performance I recorded that clearly indicates its origin and completeness.
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Hi again. I can tell you for a fact it was just the 11 to 12 minutes you know of as far as the broadcast is concerned. I recorded it at the time and that was all there was. The entire show was 90 minutes and had several other artist. Factor in commercials and just by logic alone there is no way it could run even close to 40 minutes. Cool and the Gang and several other commercial artist were on the same show. They make mention of the other artist at the end of my recording. Even though I only have the audio I still remember the show quite well. I could swear it was filmed on ABC's stage with the In Concert  logo behind the drums.

Normally I am not into boots at all. The only reason I brought this whole thing up is because I saw the thread about the show being lost and I could not find anything else about it until I stumbled onto this site. Triumvirat was always one of my favorite bands and not much prog rock made it onto television back in the 70's. That was why I recorded it. I was not aware of other Triumvirat boot recordings until you told me. I only collect official releases except for a few rare occasions.

Thanks again. I bothered you enough. I'll wait to hear your new response on A La Carte. Also, if you listed hard enough, there are some classic Triumvirat elements still present on Carte. Russian Roulette on the other hand is totally commercial. To restrain Fritz to that degree was difficult for me to endure. However, still better pop music then most though.
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^the bootleg fragment I have has no announcement, so that would be cool to hear!
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Originally posted by Inceptional Inceptional wrote:

Thank you for the welcome and the quick reply. Your answer is pretty much what I expected. I don't know how old you are but because of my age and background, I might be able to shed some light on the ABC In Concert broadcast.  You mentioned you have heard a fragmented version of the show running about 12 minutes. The entire broadcast ran 11:08. The annoucer starts off "From theGerman school of progressive music". I was always under the impression that this was the entire performance, just for ABC. It was a share the stage kinda thing with other artist much like Midnight Special.  I guess I was wrong if you are indicating this was only a portion of a full concert. Please verify if you can.

The quality is TV of the day so it is poor by audiophile standards. Which brings up a sore point with me about reissues with very poor quality bonus cuts or any bonus cuts at all. I much prefer an album be presented as originally intended. It is like putting a moustache on the Mona Lisa. The Van Der Graaf reissues come to mind in particular. (Off topic-sorry).

Anyway, you are welcome to a copy if you would like one for free. I used to be a keyboard player (of no fame at all) back in the day so I am used to not making money with music. At least not very much. We actually used to play an excerpt from Dimple in the local nightclubs.

One last thing. I found you comments about the last 2 Rat albums very interesting. I too find some merit in them albeit of a more commercial nature. They almost appeared to be looking for a hit record by impersonation on Ala Carte." Late Again" sounds like Billy Joel while" I Don't Even Know Their Name" sounds like Toto. The craziest of all is" Darlin'" which sounds exactly like The Four Seasons. Listen to those songs with that in mind and give me your take. I personally like" Waterfall and A Bavarian In New York" the best.

Anyway, thank you again. Very nice place here indeed.
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There is a PA  member  with the username of TODDLER who claims that he saw the In Concert performance, and that it ran for 40 minutes. I have not seen audio or video of that to verify, though. I did e-mail the host of In Concert at that time, Don E. Branker, and he said the tape of that concert  was thrown out, and nothing extant exists to verify the length, except for the existing bootleg excerpt which is 12:02 exactly. That is cool that you were a keyboard player, and doing some of Dimple!Cool I would love a copy of what you have. I will relisten to those tracks from A La Carte.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stegor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2014 at 12:06
Illusions is my favorite as well, but I think Old Loves Die Hard is under-rated. It might be because it was the first one I heard and I have great memories, but I prefer it to Spartacus and Pomeii. The parts that get a little "poppy" remind me of Supertramp, which to me is a good thing. It's also about 50 minutes long, which is longer than most vinyl albums of the time. I remember I couldn't fit it on one side of a 90 minute cassette.
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