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    Posted: July 17 2014 at 17:24
OK guys. I Agree about Xover. I know and I like many of Xover great bands and I agree with Smorph. "Crossover prog has some SERIOUSLY progressive acts in it
Thanks Ivan for your time and for your answer.Honestly after more listening to K.F.K  my opinion changed about them. I like them and I think they are a strong band . 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2014 at 15:04
Thanks Iván.  Thumbs Up
 
OK, I think we're pretty much agreed on Crossover, so I added the artist to progfreak: http://progfreak.com/Kant-Freud-Kafka-159402.htmlSmile
 
 
Maybe one of the Collabs or Special Collabs who has contributed to this thread could drop a link to it in the Crossover team thread?  Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2014 at 12:50
Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

Originally posted by Cesar Inca Cesar Inca wrote:


Can't we just label it as Eclectic? This album is too committed to the complexities and eclectic boldness of prog tradition to be just Crossover or Prog-related. 

Welll... thank you for reading. 

Maybe you right. I found some Jazz Rock Elements in their music (IMO). Its nearest to eclectic than Symphonic Prog. I afraid to talk about them more because my English isn't good . Maybe Ivan waiting to hunt me again!!Wink
Xover or Prog-Related isn't fair IMO. as you said  "This album is too committed to the complexities and eclectic boldness of prog tradition to be just Crossover or Prog-related. " Specially Prog-Related!!!

Don't worry I agree with you.

Prog Related is not enough and surely they wouldn't be accepted due to the no influential issue.

Crossover is the exact place IMHO, because they have a strong mainstream element.

Please remember that CROSSOVER is a full Prog sub-genre
            
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2014 at 12:22
^  Sure thing Greg. Crossover would be fine imo - in fact anywhere just to get the artist on the site...where he most definitely deserves a place. Approve
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2014 at 11:24
Crossover prog has some SERIOUSLY progressive acts in it. Don't downplay the awesomeness of Crossover prog.

I'd be fine with Crossover here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2014 at 10:07
Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

For anyone else with an interest in seeing this artist added, I would like to point you in the direction of a glowing review of the album posted by Jez Rowden at The Progressive Aspect just a few days after I made the original suggestion: http://theprogressiveaspect.net/blog/2014/06/26/kant-freud-kafka-no-tengas-miedo/. Embarrassed
 
César, if you think it's worth asking the Eclectic team to take a listen, then as an SC you have access to that part of the forum, and you could certainly mention it in their team thread. I still strongly believe this is PA material, and would love to see this artist added somewhere.  Smile
WOW. Very good review. Strong and complete. Thanks so much yam.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2014 at 09:56
Originally posted by Cesar Inca Cesar Inca wrote:


Can't we just label it as Eclectic? This album is too committed to the complexities and eclectic boldness of prog tradition to be just Crossover or Prog-related. 

Welll... thank you for reading. 

Maybe you right. I found some Jazz Rock Elements in their music (IMO). Its nearest to eclectic than Symphonic Prog. I afraid to talk about them more because my English isn't good . Maybe Ivan waiting to hunt me again!!Wink
Xover or Prog-Related isn't fair IMO. as you said  "This album is too committed to the complexities and eclectic boldness of prog tradition to be just Crossover or Prog-related. " Specially Prog-Related!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2014 at 09:07
For anyone else with an interest in seeing this artist added, I would like to point you in the direction of a glowing review of the album posted by Jez Rowden at The Progressive Aspect just a few days after I made the original suggestion: http://theprogressiveaspect.net/blog/2014/06/26/kant-freud-kafka-no-tengas-miedo/. Embarrassed
 
César, if you think it's worth asking the Eclectic team to take a listen, then as an SC you have access to that part of the forum, and you could certainly mention it in their team thread. I still strongly believe this is PA material, and would love to see this artist added somewhere.  Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2014 at 07:47

Can't we just label it as Eclectic? This album is too committed to the complexities and eclectic boldness of prog tradition to be just Crossover or Prog-related. 

Welll... thank you for reading. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2014 at 15:54
Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

NO! I NEVER TRY TO FORCED MY OPINION SPECIALLY IN "PA". AND I dont want talk about sub-gen of this band. Symphonic or eclectic or... I don't care. I talk about my opinion in PA freely. I never like KARDA ESTRA . I have most of their albums but never like them. IMO their music far from ROCK music . You said : "I won't even reply about Karda Estra, because I don't care for any argument that says "If "A" why not "B".I agree with you.It's reasonable. What is your refrence Ivan? 

You are not giving your opinion, 

Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

Unhappy Sorry guys. I forgot that Ivan never like " 100% ". I Used "100%" and this is my fault !!!! KANT FREUD KAFKA isn't "ROCK" and isn't prog!! and never forget that KARDA ESTRA is "ROCK" and "PROGRESSIVE" . Hmmm Hmmmmm ROCK? Hmmmmm ROCK? ................Confused

This is clearly an "If "A" why not "B" argument.

Iván

As I said before IN My Opinion K.F.K is a ROCK band and symphonic prog. BUT  I dont want fight for this.

No fight, we welcome opinions.

But when people question why we accept one and reject another, that honestly bothers me.

For us Karda Estra is Symphonic and  K.F.K. not..
            
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2014 at 15:14
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

NO! I NEVER TRY TO FORCED MY OPINION SPECIALLY IN "PA". AND I dont want talk about sub-gen of this band. Symphonic or eclectic or... I don't care. I talk about my opinion in PA freely. I never like KARDA ESTRA . I have most of their albums but never like them. IMO their music far from ROCK music . You said : "I won't even reply about Karda Estra, because I don't care for any argument that says "If "A" why not "B".I agree with you.It's reasonable. What is your refrence Ivan? 

You are not giving your opinion, 

Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

Unhappy Sorry guys. I forgot that Ivan never like " 100% ". I Used "100%" and this is my fault !!!! KANT FREUD KAFKA isn't "ROCK" and isn't prog!! and never forget that KARDA ESTRA is "ROCK" and "PROGRESSIVE" . Hmmm Hmmmmm ROCK? Hmmmmm ROCK? ................Confused

This is clearly an "If "A" why not "B" argument.

Iván

As I said before IN My Opinion K.F.K is a ROCK band and symphonic prog. BUT  I dont want fight for this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2014 at 15:06
I must explain again. As I said before I don't care about sub gen and never fight to Ivan. I always respect to Ivan and his opinion. I Talked about ROCK music and KARDA ESTRA not compare K.F.K and KARDA ESTRA. I am 45 years old man (male!!!). I love PROGRESSIVE ROCK music over 30 years and pay money and time for it. My English isn't good. Maybe this make misunderstanding. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2014 at 11:18
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Ooohhhhh. A fight with Ivan......we haven't had one of those in a long while.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2014 at 10:56
Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

NO! I NEVER TRY TO FORCED MY OPINION SPECIALLY IN "PA". AND I dont want talk about sub-gen of this band. Symphonic or eclectic or... I don't care. I talk about my opinion in PA freely. I never like KARDA ESTRA . I have most of their albums but never like them. IMO their music far from ROCK music . You said : "I won't even reply about Karda Estra, because I don't care for any argument that says "If "A" why not "B".I agree with you.It's reasonable. What is your refrence Ivan? 

You are not giving your opinion, 

Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

Unhappy Sorry guys. I forgot that Ivan never like " 100% ". I Used "100%" and this is my fault !!!! KANT FREUD KAFKA isn't "ROCK" and isn't prog!! and never forget that KARDA ESTRA is "ROCK" and "PROGRESSIVE" . Hmmm Hmmmmm ROCK? Hmmmmm ROCK? ................Confused

This is clearly an "If "A" why not "B" argument.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2014 at 10:52
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Ooohhhhh. A fight with Ivan......we haven't had one of those in a long while.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2014 at 09:35
Ooohhhhh. A fight with Ivan......we haven't had one of those in a long while.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2014 at 09:13
NO! I NEVER TRY TO FORCED MY OPINION SPECIALLY IN "PA". AND I dont want talk about sub-gen of this band. Symphonic or eclectic or... I don't care. I talk about my opinion in PA freely. I never like KARDA ESTRA . I have most of their albums but never like them. IMO their music far from ROCK music . You said : "I won't even reply about Karda Estra, because I don't care for any argument that says "If "A" why not "B".I agree with you.It's reasonable. What is your refrence Ivan? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2014 at 12:09
Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

Unhappy Sorry guys. I forgot that Ivan never like " 100% ". I Used "100%" and this is my fault !!!! KANT FREUD KAFKA isn't "ROCK" and isn't prog!! and never forget that KARDA ESTRA is "ROCK" and "PROGRESSIVE" . Hmmm Hmmmmm ROCK? Hmmmmm ROCK? ................Confused

Wait a moment: We are not here to decide of a band if added because of your opinion, to be honest, we only work based in OUR opinion.

We don't care if you believe it's 100, 50 or 10% Prog, we care for what we believe as a team

We are a team and want to add as much bands as possible

Four members of the team have voted that it's not Symphonic, we all believe it has a relation with Prog, but maybe with Crossover

We believe it's more a form of Neo Classical, with Fusion and Heavy moments.


I won't even reply about Karda Estra, because I don't care for any argument that says "If "A" why not "B". 

If you don't like it bad luck for you, we do our work, we give our honest opinion and even if you don't agree, we know what we do. 

PS: Proggnosis has added them as Symphonic, but reading their description, I don't understand their perspective

They say

Quote The music is deeply influenced by 45 years of prog rock and also by classical music, with hints of jazz and even funk. Sounds like a mix of everything, but resembles nothing in particular.

http://www.proggnosis.com/ARTIST_Detail.aspx?AID=11848

Exactly what we believe, It's classical, Jazz, funk, light Prog, a bit of everything, but here in ProgArchives we  don´'t fall in contradictions, if it's a Jazz, Classical, funk, Neo Classical and Prog combo, it is not Symphonic.




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Unhappy Sorry guys. I forgot that Ivan never like " 100% ". I Used "100%" and this is my fault !!!! KANT FREUD KAFKA isn't "ROCK" and isn't prog!! and never forget that KARDA ESTRA is "ROCK" and "PROGRESSIVE" . Hmmm Hmmmmm ROCK? Hmmmmm ROCK? ................Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2014 at 01:35
Just received the mail from the last member of the team.

1.- HT: I think I heard enough rock to call it prog, but it is close.
2.- SouthSideoftheSky: I'm sceptical after having heard those three clips. The third did hold some progressive Rock, but the first two did not; rather some kind of World-Fusion
3.- Scott: No, NOT symphonic
4.- Myself: Not Symphonic, proggy, maybe Crossover but closer to Prog Related IMHO

So not accepted in Symphonic.

Sorry

Iván


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