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proggman
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Topic: Tony Banks - Duke Posted: July 23 2014 at 22:53 |
Heathaze.
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When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: July 23 2014 at 09:26 |
I like all of the songs on Abacab
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: July 23 2014 at 03:40 |
^ Thanks, now I have to compare & contrast.......(........but I love doing this.....)
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 23 2014 at 02:42 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
richardh wrote:
I've just ordered Abacab ( you can get it very cheap!) so as just to get Keep It Dark (already have Dodo/Lurker and the title track as downloads)Andy , what is the fourth track you like on Abacab? | Abacab Me & Sarah Jane Keep it Dark Dodo/Lurker ( I count this as one track - rightly or wrongly) I can tolerate Man on the Corner too, but No Reply, Another Record, Whodunnit. | That's seems to be about right. No Reply.... does again have some cool bass from Mike, but not the best track from them. | It's quite a 'neat' funky tune, I guess but if I want funk I'd probably go to a funk band. It's not really what you by an album by a prog rock band for. Imo.. Banks compared his keyboard work on that song to the piano on The Lamb Lieds Down on Broadway. If you listen carefully there is something in that.
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fudgenuts64
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Posted: July 23 2014 at 02:04 |
Abacab is quite good for the most part for me, everything up until Dodo/Lurker. The rest I can take or leave.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: July 23 2014 at 01:54 |
Blacksword wrote:
richardh wrote:
I've just ordered Abacab ( you can get it very cheap!) so as just to get Keep It Dark (already have Dodo/Lurker and the title track as downloads)Andy , what is the fourth track you like on Abacab? | Abacab Me & Sarah Jane Keep it Dark Dodo/Lurker ( I count this as one track - rightly or wrongly) I can tolerate Man on the Corner too, but No Reply, Another Record, Whodunnit. |
That's seems to be about right. No Reply.... does again have some cool bass from Mike, but not the best track from them.
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Posted: July 23 2014 at 01:35 |
genbanks wrote:
tdfloyd wrote:
1- Heathaze 2-Evidence of Autumn 3-Guild Vocal 4-Cul-de-Sac |
Exactly this |
I'll 3rd that. Glad Evidence of Autumn's getting some love.
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 23 2014 at 01:27 |
richardh wrote:
I've just ordered Abacab ( you can get it very cheap!) so as just to get Keep It Dark (already have Dodo/Lurker and the title track as downloads)Andy , what is the fourth track you like on Abacab? | Abacab Me & Sarah Jane Keep it Dark Dodo/Lurker ( I count this as one track - rightly or wrongly) I can tolerate Man on the Corner too, but No Reply, Another Record, Whodunnit.
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richardh
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Posted: July 23 2014 at 01:22 |
I've just ordered Abacab ( you can get it very cheap!) so as just to get Keep It Dark (already have Dodo/Lurker and the title track as downloads)
Andy , what is the fourth track you like on Abacab?
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: July 23 2014 at 00:50 |
genbanks wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
richardh wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Any fans of Mike R's ripping fretless bass lines of Heathaze ?? The song is superb without question. Also, venturing off-topic here, but Keep It Dark is an equivalent track from the Abacab album. |
Keep It Dark is a great track not sure about Heathaze to be honest , never really grabbed me | Yeah, love Keep it Dark. One of only four tunes I like on Abacab. |
And Keep it dark seems to becomes from a Banks concept, he wrote the lyrics and I remember some interview in which he talks about how he "teachs" the melody line to Collins, or something like this. |
It does suffer from the usual 80's qualities sound-wise, but it really is an excellent song that's truly 'Banksian' through and through. Collins stretches his voice on the superb chorus. Actually, thinking about it now, we should do an Abacab thread (or resurrect an existing one...) - so much discussion and opinions can work for this controversial album......
Edited by Tom Ozric - July 23 2014 at 00:52
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genbanks
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Posted: July 22 2014 at 17:17 |
Blacksword wrote:
richardh wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Any fans of Mike R's ripping fretless bass lines of Heathaze ?? The song is superb without question.
Also, venturing off-topic here, but Keep It Dark is an equivalent track from the Abacab album. |
Keep It Dark is a great track not sure about Heathaze to be honest , never really grabbed me |
Yeah, love Keep it Dark. One of only four tunes I like on Abacab. |
And Keep it dark seems to becomes from a Banks concept, he wrote the lyrics and I remember some interview in which he talks about how he "teachs" the melody line to Collins, or something like this.
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 22 2014 at 02:48 |
richardh wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Any fans of Mike R's ripping fretless bass lines of Heathaze ?? The song is superb without question. Also, venturing off-topic here, but Keep It Dark is an equivalent track from the Abacab album. |
Keep It Dark is a great track not sure about Heathaze to be honest , never really grabbed me | Yeah, love Keep it Dark. One of only four tunes I like on Abacab.
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richardh
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Posted: July 22 2014 at 01:30 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
Any fans of Mike R's ripping fretless bass lines of Heathaze ?? The song is superb without question.
Also, venturing off-topic here, but Keep It Dark is an equivalent track from the Abacab album. |
Keep It Dark is a great track
not sure about Heathaze to be honest , never really grabbed me
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richardh
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Posted: July 22 2014 at 01:25 |
Moogtron III wrote:
richardh wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Indeed, Heathaze for sure. Duke is a very special album in my world......
Evidence Of Autumn appeared on the 'Three Sides Live' dbl LP, but not as strong as Heathaze. |
Doesn't appear on my version. Was there a bonus edition?
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There are two versions of Three Sides Live. A UK version, where the 4th side also has live tracks. I grew up with the non-UK version, with 5 studio tracks (The Paperlate EP - Paperlate, You Might Recall, Me And Virgil - and Evidence Of Autumn and Open Door) |
That explains the odd title
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Moogtron III
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Posted: July 21 2014 at 10:02 |
richardh wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Indeed, Heathaze for sure. Duke is a very special album in my world......
Evidence Of Autumn appeared on the 'Three Sides Live' dbl LP, but not as strong as Heathaze. |
Doesn't appear on my version. Was there a bonus edition?
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There are two versions of Three Sides Live. A UK version, where the 4th side also has live tracks. I grew up with the non-UK version, with 5 studio tracks (The Paperlate EP - Paperlate, You Might Recall, Me And Virgil - and Evidence Of Autumn and Open Door)
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 21 2014 at 06:47 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Any fans of Mike R's ripping fretless bass lines of Heathaze ?? The song is superb without question. Also, venturing off-topic here, but Keep It Dark is an equivalent track from the Abacab album. | Indeed, his fretless work is good on Heathaze. The song has a lovey feel and musically a very powerful chorus too. Some of the lyrics I find a bit toe curling to be honest, but I never felt Genesis were great at writing lyrics after PG left. | Yes, yes - very powerful chorus. Deep and emotional. And, referencing the statement a few posts above, 'Please Don't Ask' is beautiful, even if a bit 'outside' of the album's main ideals, 'Misunderstanding' could've been on Phil's solo debut, and Cul-de-Sac doesn't do much for me either..... Oh, Alone Tonight is rather forgettable as well. Apart from that, a grand album for 1980. | I think Please don't ask should have been on a Collins solo album too. It kind of fits in with the Duke concept, but is so in tune with the sort of stuff PC was doing as a solo artist it almost didn't 'need' to be on a Genesis album.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: July 21 2014 at 05:19 |
Blacksword wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Any fans of Mike R's ripping fretless bass lines of Heathaze ?? The song is superb without question. Also, venturing off-topic here, but Keep It Dark is an equivalent track from the Abacab album. | Indeed, his fretless work is good on Heathaze. The song has a lovey feel and musically a very powerful chorus too. Some of the lyrics I find a bit toe curling to be honest, but I never felt Genesis were great at writing lyrics after PG left. |
Yes, yes - very powerful chorus. Deep and emotional. And, referencing the statement a few posts above, 'Please Don't Ask' is beautiful, even if a bit 'outside' of the album's main ideals, 'Misunderstanding' could've been on Phil's solo debut, and Cul-de-Sac doesn't do much for me either..... Oh, Alone Tonight is rather forgettable as well. Apart from that, a grand album for 1980.
Edited by Tom Ozric - July 21 2014 at 05:21
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 21 2014 at 04:14 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
Any fans of Mike R's ripping fretless bass lines of Heathaze ?? The song is superb without question. Also, venturing off-topic here, but Keep It Dark is an equivalent track from the Abacab album. | Indeed, his fretless work is good on Heathaze. The song has a lovey feel and musically a very powerful chorus too. Some of the lyrics I find a bit toe curling to be honest, but I never felt Genesis were great at writing lyrics after PG left.
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 21 2014 at 04:12 |
Cul-de-sac for me. Duke is a strange and prophetic album. Prophetic in the sense that you could see quite clearly the direction Genesis were preparing to take. It's stil very good overall though imo. There are some tracks which are extremely weak and should have been left off the album: Please Don't Ask and Misunderstanding, and to a leser extent the rather insipid and formulaic Alone Tonight. The band were making the transition to middle of the road pop and had to throw these turds into the rose water pool to reinforce their mainstream position. However.. Behind the Lines Duchess Guide vocal Man of our times Heathaze Turn it on again Cul-de-sac Dukes Travels Dukes End All excellent tracks. 4.5 star album.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: July 21 2014 at 04:00 |
Any fans of Mike R's ripping fretless bass lines of Heathaze ?? The song is superb without question. Also, venturing off-topic here, but Keep It Dark is an equivalent track from the Abacab album.
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