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rushfan4 
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Porcupine Tree are pretty great and one of the best of the new generation of prog bands but....
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 14:04 |
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PT for being so diverse throughout its less than 20 years of existence.
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 14:07 |
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Rush, Rush, Rush, a million times Rush. They blazed many a trail other bands (including PT) willfully traverse in this era and past ones.
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 14:19 |
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Rush is probably the more important band here, but I'd sooner reach for any PT album before any Rush album.
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 16:03 |
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That's a tough choice for me....I really like the 3 classic Rush LP's: Farewell, Permanent, and Moving Pics , but PT appeals to me more as far as their style and overall sound so going with PT.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 20:10 |
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PT is more expansive, diverse, melodic, dynamic... everything, basically. Rush were best when they reigned themselves in, because they weren't any good at making prog. Permanent Waves thru Power Windows is a good stretch though, by far some of the best 80's rock.
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 20:15 |
 ole-the-first wrote:
Porcupine Tree by far. Rush recorded way too much of weak albums alongside with some real masterworks.
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Rush have also been around much longer than Porcupine Tree, so this isn't a fair assessment as to why you prefer one over the other.
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Mirror Image
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 20:19 |
King Crimson776 wrote:
PT is more expansive, diverse, melodic, dynamic... everything, basically. Rush were best when they reigned themselves in, because they weren't any good at making prog. Permanent Waves thru Power Windows is a good stretch though, by far some of the best 80's rock.
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Complete BS. Rush were as 'expansive, diverse, melodic, and dynamic' as Porcupine Tree. Have you actually heard a Rush album? Rush were a great PROG band and, yes, they were PROG. 'Nuff said.
Edited by Mirror Image - July 30 2014 at 20:29
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 20:31 |
King Crimson776 wrote:
PT is more expansive, diverse, melodic, dynamic... |
I agree with this in general terms
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 20:34 |
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Mirror Image: Their 70's music is full-fledged prog, and it's not very good because they didn't have the talent to make that style of music. Their 80's music is prog too, but in a far lesser degree.
I've evidently paid closer attention to Rush than you have, because they are not expansive (for prog), they are more about tightness. They are not diverse, as they have a very consistent (and certainly distinctive) sound. They have a 'melodic style' overall but were never focused on big, stand-out melodies, and it's self-evident that they aren't as dynamic.
Edited by King Crimson776 - July 30 2014 at 20:37
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 20:44 |
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Mirror Image
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 20:55 |
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Mirror Image: Their 70's music is full-fledged prog, and it's not very good because they didn't have the talent to make that style of music. Their 80's music is prog too, but in a far lesser degree.
I've evidently paid closer attention to Rush than you have, because they are not expansive (for prog), they are more about tightness. They are not diverse, as they have a very consistent (and certainly distinctive) sound. They have a 'melodic style' overall but were never focused on big, stand-out melodies, and it's self-evident that they aren't as dynamic.
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But the fact that they continued to evolve organically with the times they lived, shows their enormous talent. You don't think 2112 is a good progressive rock piece? You don't think La Villa Strangiato is a good progressive rock piece? Need I go on? Look, you don't have to like Rush, but to sit there and undermine their talent to write prog music isn't something I take kindly to and I certainly won't sit here and nod my head along with yours. There are a lot of different ways to write progressive rock and they handled the longer epics just as well as they did the shorter pieces. Disagree all you want, I think you're wrong.
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 21:02 |
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I think Rush had a better early career. I think PT had a better later career.
Rush's first decade kills PT's first decade.
PT's second decade interests me more than Rush's 2nd/3rd/4th.
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Mirror Image
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 21:12 |
Finnforest wrote:
I think Rush had a better early career. I think PT had a better later career.
Rush's first decade kills PT's first decade.
PT's second decade interests me more than Rush's 2nd/3rd/4th.
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From Hemispheres through Hold Your Fire is my favorite Rush period. I think Hemispheres was a farewell of sorts to the longer pieces, although really The Camera's Eye is their last longer piece, whereas Hold Your Fire is the band's final album of their 'synth period.' So we're looking at a total of seven albums in this period. I can't even think of one Porcupine Tree album I genuinely enjoy. Rush just hits me harder emotionally. Porcupine Tree are a talented bunch of musicians, but their music just leaves me cold and this goes for Steven Wilson in general.
I may not like Porcupine Tree, but at least I didn't undermine their immense talent unlike some other members. 
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 21:14 |
King Crimson776 wrote:
Mirror Image: Their 70's music is full-fledged prog, and it's not very good because they didn't have the talent to make that style of music. Their 80's music is prog too, but in a far lesser degree.I've evidently paid closer attention to Rush than you have, because they are not expansive (for prog), they are more about tightness. They are not diverse, as they have a very consistent (and certainly distinctive) sound. They have a 'melodic style' overall but were never focused on big, stand-out melodies, and it's self-evident that they aren't as dynamic. |
Oh, dear. As far as being "too" consistent, if you take 2112, Moving Pictures, Power Windows, Counterparts and Vapor Trails, you get a band that sounds like five different bands. I won't touch the remark about their alleged "lack" of talent.
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 21:21 |
verslibre wrote:
King Crimson776 wrote:
Mirror Image: Their 70's music is full-fledged prog, and it's not very good because they didn't have the talent to make that style of music. Their 80's music is prog too, but in a far lesser degree.I've evidently paid closer attention to Rush than you have, because they are not expansive (for prog), they are more about tightness. They are not diverse, as they have a very consistent (and certainly distinctive) sound. They have a 'melodic style' overall but were never focused on big, stand-out melodies, and it's self-evident that they aren't as dynamic. |
Oh, dear. As far as being "too" consistent, if you take 2112, Moving Pictures, Power Windows, Counterparts and Vapor Trails, you get a band that sounds like five different bands.
I won't touch the remark about their alleged "lack" of talent. |
I should've just kept my remarks to myself and let him live in blissful ignorance. 
Edited by Mirror Image - July 30 2014 at 21:22
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 21:24 |
Mirror Image wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
I think Rush had a better early career. I think PT had a better later career.
Rush's first decade kills PT's first decade.
PT's second decade interests me more than Rush's 2nd/3rd/4th.
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From Hemispheres through Hold Your Fire is my favorite Rush period. I think Hemispheres was a farewell of sorts to the longer pieces, although really The Camera's Eye is their last longer piece, whereas Hold Your Fire is the band's final album of their 'synth period.' So we're looking at a total of seven albums in this period. I can't even think of one Porcupine Tree album I genuinely enjoy. Rush just hits me harder emotionally. Porcupine Tree are a talented bunch of musicians, but their music just leaves me cold and this goes for Steven Wilson in general.
I may not like Porcupine Tree, but at least I didn't undermine their immense talent unlike some other members. |
Agree PT are colder although I still find emotional connection primarily in their later albums. This will probably be viewed with great scorn here, but I'd rather listen to Rush's debut or FBN than "Sky Moves Sideways" any day of the week. 
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Mirror Image
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 21:28 |
Finnforest wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
I think Rush had a better early career. I think PT had a better later career.
Rush's first decade kills PT's first decade.
PT's second decade interests me more than Rush's 2nd/3rd/4th.
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From Hemispheres through Hold Your Fire is my favorite Rush period. I think Hemispheres was a farewell of sorts to the longer pieces, although really The Camera's Eye is their last longer piece, whereas Hold Your Fire is the band's final album of their 'synth period.' So we're looking at a total of seven albums in this period. I can't even think of one Porcupine Tree album I genuinely enjoy. Rush just hits me harder emotionally. Porcupine Tree are a talented bunch of musicians, but their music just leaves me cold and this goes for Steven Wilson in general.
I may not like Porcupine Tree, but at least I didn't undermine their immense talent unlike some other members. |
Agree PT are colder although I still find emotional connection primarily in their later albums.
This will probably be viewed with great scorn here, but I'd rather listen to Rush's debut or FBN than "Sky Moves Sideways" any day of the week.
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Well, we're all different and there's no right/wrong answers here. I just find it strange that someone would even make a comment about Rush's talent. I mean really...WTF? Why is their musical ability even in question? They have proven themselves. I don't like early or later Rush, but as verslibre pointed out this band has gone through so many stylistic changes.
Edited by Mirror Image - July 30 2014 at 21:29
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 21:30 |
Finnforest wrote:
This will probably be viewed with great scorn here, but I'd rather listen to Rush's debut or FBN than "Sky Moves Sideways" any day of the week.
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Agreed Jim. :)
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 21:36 |
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