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Polymorphia 
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I can hardly handle either
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LSDisease
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Posted: August 01 2014 at 16:23 |
 Horizons wrote:
Not quite, i'm fairly sure you're describing the modern symphonic scene or neo-prog. Those have verse, chorus structures with instrumental breaks or louder keyboards, apparently making it full blown prog and hasn't ever been done beforehand. I think that's closer to long pop songs than GY!BE's Static. Just me though.
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Neo prog if it's simple it's at least more dynamic than a regular pop. And it's a bit quirky too. Post rock is very predictable and simply boring. It brings nothing. It's just a musical background.
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"Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiss die Peitsche nicht!"
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Altairius
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Posted: August 01 2014 at 21:19 |
Horizons wrote:
LSDisease wrote:
Horizons wrote:
I thought the steam engine was very innovative? Thanks for that wonderful complement.
And you ignored Math Rock! I guess since your last post you've realized how great it is. Try listening to more of it instead of that awful, cheesy neo-prog.
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WAS innovative. Now it's something pretty old.
Post rock is like pop with longer songs. It's boring.
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Not quite, i'm fairly sure you're describing the modern symphonic scene or neo-prog. Those have verse, chorus structures with instrumental breaks or louder keyboards, apparently making it full blown prog and hasn't ever been done beforehand. I think that's closer to long pop songs than GY!BE's Static. Just me though. |
I agree, post rock is not like pop. It's even more simplistic. Also you ignored his point that math rock hasn't been innovative in ages. Your preferences are one thing, but it's laughable to act like you listen to more innovative music. If anything, the minimalism of post/math rock made if far more derivative far quicker, because there is less compositional room.
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Horizons
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Posted: August 01 2014 at 21:40 |
LSDisease wrote:
Horizons wrote:
Not quite, i'm fairly sure you're describing the modern symphonic scene or neo-prog. Those have verse, chorus structures with instrumental breaks or louder keyboards, apparently making it full blown prog and hasn't ever been done beforehand. I think that's closer to long pop songs than GY!BE's Static. Just me though.
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Neo prog if it's simple it's at least more dynamic than a regular pop. And it's a bit quirky too. Post rock is very predictable and simply boring. It brings nothing. It's just a musical background.
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If i've heard 10seconds of an entire genre and was generally arrogant i'd prolly make the same assumption, but i'm not so i'm glad.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Horizons
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Posted: August 01 2014 at 21:50 |
Altairius wrote:
Horizons wrote:
LSDisease wrote:
Horizons wrote:
I thought the steam engine was very innovative? Thanks for that wonderful complement.
And you ignored Math Rock! I guess since your last post you've realized how great it is. Try listening to more of it instead of that awful, cheesy neo-prog.
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WAS innovative. Now it's something pretty old.
Post rock is like pop with longer songs. It's boring.
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Not quite, i'm fairly sure you're describing the modern symphonic scene or neo-prog. Those have verse, chorus structures with instrumental breaks or louder keyboards, apparently making it full blown prog and hasn't ever been done beforehand. I think that's closer to long pop songs than GY!BE's Static. Just me though. |
I agree, post rock is not like pop. It's even more simplistic. Also you ignored his point that math rock hasn't been innovative in ages. Your preferences are one thing, but it's laughable to act like you listen to more innovative music. If anything, the minimalism of post/math rock made if far more derivative far quicker, because there is less compositional room.
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"Ages" ok. Glad we're bringing some real points into this. Bands like Perhaps, SJ5, Battles and so on are continually making MR an interesting genre that isn't so strongly based in the genre's roots.
MR/PR is a more innovative genre as a whole when compared to Neo-prog, a genre literally just taking from music straight out of 70's symphonic. The only thing laughable is small-minded dinosaurs that quickly dismiss unique genres because they don't have anyone with the name Wakeman in the band or someone trying to sound like Hackett or Gabriel. I think that's far more derivative.
I'd prolly link some really interesting songs to gradually introduce you to the wonderful genres PR and MR can be, but you'd prolly comeback with some stupid remark like the compositional room one. So i'll pass.
Edited by Horizons - August 01 2014 at 21:53
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Altairius
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Posted: August 01 2014 at 22:19 |
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Neo takes less out of 70's symphonic than modern math rock takes out of
old math rock (notice how no one thinks recent math rock warranted a
different genre name). Implying IQ is a 'tribute' to anything would make you
deaf or demented, and even Marillion has a totally unmistakeable sound.
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is that a stupid remark? Can you refute that PR/MR bands are generally
highly repetitive and that this implies less compositional
possibilities (and thus a quicker loss of innovation)? All you're left with is your preferences and can't
pretend it's notably more innovative than other modern music.
Edited by Altairius - August 02 2014 at 02:20
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LSDisease
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Posted: August 02 2014 at 06:58 |
Horizons wrote:
If i've heard 10seconds of an entire genre and was generally arrogant i'd prolly make the same assumption, but i'm not so i'm glad. |
I've heard more than just 10 seconds but 10 seconds it's actually enough. Cos nothing more happens in the composition anyway.
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"Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiss die Peitsche nicht!"
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proggman
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Posted: August 04 2014 at 01:36 |
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Marillion Forgotten Sons.
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When he rides, my fears subside.
For darkness turns once more to light.
Through the skies, his white horse flies.
To find a land beyond the night.
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Roj
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Posted: August 04 2014 at 07:46 |
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PT wins this one by the proverbial country mile.
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Cristi
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Posted: September 17 2017 at 10:33 |
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Forgotten Sons
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addictedtoprog
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Posted: September 17 2017 at 11:05 |
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Forgotten sons
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Dopeydoc
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Posted: September 17 2017 at 15:40 |
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The Sky Moves Sideways
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: March 27 2018 at 02:09 |
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Marillion.
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