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Marillion vs. Porcupine Tree (two songs)

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Poll Question: Pick the song you like more
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Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

 
Not quite, i'm fairly sure you're describing the modern symphonic scene or neo-prog. 
Those have verse, chorus structures with instrumental breaks or louder keyboards, apparently making it full blown prog and hasn't ever been done beforehand. I think that's closer to long pop songs than GY!BE's Static. Just me though. 



Neo prog if it's simple it's at least more dynamic than a regular pop. And it's a bit quirky too. Post rock is very predictable and simply boring. It brings nothing. It's just a musical background.
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Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

 
I thought the steam engine was very innovative? Thanks for that wonderful complement. 

And you ignored Math Rock! I guess since your last post you've realized how great it is. Try listening to more of it instead of that awful, cheesy neo-prog. 

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WAS innovative. Now it's something pretty old.

Post rock is like pop with longer songs. It's boring.

Not quite, i'm fairly sure you're describing the modern symphonic scene or neo-prog. 
Those have verse, chorus structures with instrumental breaks or louder keyboards, apparently making it full blown prog and hasn't ever been done beforehand. I think that's closer to long pop songs than GY!BE's Static. Just me though. 


I agree, post rock is not like pop. It's even more simplistic. Also you ignored his point that math rock hasn't been innovative in ages. Your preferences are one thing, but it's laughable to act like you listen to more innovative music. If anything, the minimalism of post/math rock made if far more derivative far quicker, because there is less compositional room.
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Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

 
Not quite, i'm fairly sure you're describing the modern symphonic scene or neo-prog. 
Those have verse, chorus structures with instrumental breaks or louder keyboards, apparently making it full blown prog and hasn't ever been done beforehand. I think that's closer to long pop songs than GY!BE's Static. Just me though. 



Neo prog if it's simple it's at least more dynamic than a regular pop. And it's a bit quirky too. Post rock is very predictable and simply boring. It brings nothing. It's just a musical background.

If i've heard 10seconds of an entire genre and was generally arrogant i'd prolly make the same assumption, but i'm not so i'm glad. 
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Originally posted by Altairius Altairius wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

 
I thought the steam engine was very innovative? Thanks for that wonderful complement. 

And you ignored Math Rock! I guess since your last post you've realized how great it is. Try listening to more of it instead of that awful, cheesy neo-prog. 

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WAS innovative. Now it's something pretty old.

Post rock is like pop with longer songs. It's boring.

Not quite, i'm fairly sure you're describing the modern symphonic scene or neo-prog. 
Those have verse, chorus structures with instrumental breaks or louder keyboards, apparently making it full blown prog and hasn't ever been done beforehand. I think that's closer to long pop songs than GY!BE's Static. Just me though. 


I agree, post rock is not like pop. It's even more simplistic. Also you ignored his point that math rock hasn't been innovative in ages. Your preferences are one thing, but it's laughable to act like you listen to more innovative music. If anything, the minimalism of post/math rock made if far more derivative far quicker, because there is less compositional room.

"Ages" ok. Glad we're bringing some real points into this. Bands like Perhaps, SJ5, Battles and so on are continually making MR an interesting genre that isn't so strongly based in the genre's roots. 

MR/PR is a more innovative genre as a whole when compared to Neo-prog, a genre literally just taking from music straight out of 70's symphonic. The only thing laughable is small-minded dinosaurs that quickly dismiss unique genres because they don't have anyone with the name Wakeman in the band or someone trying to sound like Hackett or Gabriel. I think that's far more derivative.

I'd prolly link some really interesting songs to gradually introduce you to the wonderful genres PR and MR can be, but you'd prolly comeback with some stupid remark like the compositional room one. So i'll pass. 





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Neo takes less out of 70's symphonic than modern math rock takes out of old math rock (notice how no one thinks recent math rock warranted a different genre name). Implying IQ is a 'tribute' to anything would make you deaf or demented, and even Marillion has a totally unmistakeable sound.

Why is that a stupid remark? Can you refute that PR/MR bands are generally highly repetitive and that this implies less compositional possibilities (and thus a quicker loss of innovation)? All you're left with is your preferences and can't pretend it's notably more innovative than other modern music.

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Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:


If i've heard 10seconds of an entire genre and was generally arrogant i'd prolly make the same assumption, but i'm not so i'm glad. 

I've heard more than just 10 seconds but 10 seconds it's actually enough. Cos nothing more happens in the composition anyway.
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Marillion Forgotten Sons.

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PT wins this one by the proverbial country mile.
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