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Points: 23098 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2014 at 09:49
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

As thrilling as this little derailment has been, then I think it's probably best if we could shimmy on back to the premise of the thread. 
I'm not sure yet whether it's going to be people listing debuts or if we're going to talk about the conditions and surroundings of debuts we consider to be the peak of X band, but I'll wait a wee bit before I chug it over to 'lists'.

As for my own suggestions I might not have any other reason than the obvious: imo they never released a better album. But an advantage a debuting band has with their first album is coming out of nowhere without expectations to meet and all that. I would imagine shoulders are lower, energy is higher and the joy and thrill of just being in a studio (well, back in the day) getting to record an album, realizing your teenage dreams etc. can be heard and felt. Doesn't necessarily mean it'll always turn out great of course, but a band can probably never get that kind of rush or sense of innocence back.


This is very true. I often talk about how much I adore the naive in music - the teen rebel "geist" that you often get from debuts.......but yes: sometimes it works - other times perhaps not so much.
NEU!s debut is one of my absolute favourite albums full stop - and it perfectly illustrates the naive and almost childlike coming to effect through the music. It's so simple and unassuming, yet it works (probably also because there are so many layers, when you first get past the overt two or three note 'melody'. There's so much more going down, it's unreal).
75 on the other hand mixes the naiveness of the debut with intermittent post-punk anthems a la Bowie, which by no means are bad, but they ruin the flow of things and thus leaves the debut that more towering. There's a fluid feel there they never succeeded in reproducing.
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Points: 19942 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2014 at 09:50
Originally posted by thwok thwok wrote:

Are we limiting this forum strictly to prog bands?  
 
 
I think we just discussed that.
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Points: 2111 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2014 at 09:52
I don't know about 'best' but Steve Hackett's Voyage of the Acolyte is an absolute classic. Of course, he has made many fine albums through the years, but this is some hell of a debut.
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Points: 7024 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2014 at 11:25
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I am one of those that prefers Fugazi over Script, but then again that seems to be part of the minority (although I think most folks, at least here on PA, largely hear Misplaced Childhood as their defining moment).

I do however think there is some truth to what Dean said about Script never being surpassed only equalled. 

I too prefer Fugazi to Script, but Seasons End is even better than either. I suppose that could be regarded as the debut of the "new" Marillion.
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Points: 26108 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2014 at 14:30
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Kayak - See See the Sun
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
Tori Amos - Little Earthquakes

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Kayak's 2nd and 3rd albums are even better imo although the first 4 Kayak albums are all great.
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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2014 at 14:49
Why I chose the debut albums that I have chosen? 
Hendrix' debut is a LP that changed rock music in general & forever.
Brian Eno's debut album -  Eno didn't repeat such an explosion of creativity than on his debut album. Imo, Eno did do great things later, but not as a solo; it was as a producer and as a (glorious) contribution to other people's albums. And even at the debut of that great contributor Mr Eno - there's one of the greatest Fripp's solos ever.
The Doors - of course, 'cause of The End 
Hilllage's debut - the greatest English space rock guitarist at his heydays created an album without a weak moment. 
Phallus Dei is a new-grown, fresh and bold for your pleasure.
Alan Persons Project's debut - I think that a comment is unnecessary.
Memories Serves - early 80s NYC at its best.
The debuts of Yugoslavian progressive rock bands Time, Pop Mašina and Leb i Sol - well, you have to trust me in this case.
I am sorry if I forgot something.




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^Perfect! Ten debuts + a little explaination and it only takes up a couple of centimeters of my screen. Keep posting like this   
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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2014 at 15:45
Oh and I forgot Briliant Trees - I chose this album because I love Jon Hassell's trumpet so much; also, there's Roxy Music's debut 'cause of 1) beautiful 'tron on Ladytron;  2) I love that spacey sax on Chance Meeting and 3) Mr Ferry's voice at Sea Breezes which is THE best song by them (imo).
Unorthodox Behavior is one of the best English jazzrock LPs released in '70s and for sure the best moment of Brand X.
Tony Wiliams Lifetime's Emergency! is a revolutionary LP regarding jazzrock in general.







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Points: 785 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2014 at 19:18
A bit of a cheat I know, but Genesis' debut as a trio And Then There Were Three is the best the band recorded in that incarnation. Geek
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Points: 7946 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2014 at 19:55
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

I don't know about 'best' but Steve Hackett's Voyage of the Acolyte is an absolute classic. Of course, he has made many fine albums through the years, but this is some hell of a debut.

I agree, one hell of a debut, but the best? I don't know. There's a lot of competition there even from his most recent.

I'll also second Dean's opinion about the Script as Marillion's best (I don't know anything about the Hogarth era, I must admit).

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Points: 1474 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2014 at 23:57
ELP's debut for sure. That's probably the only one I can think of. Gentle Giant's debut is very under rated imo but I wouldn't call it their best.
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GnR-- Appetite for destruction 
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Points: 49 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2014 at 08:42
Some post-rock:

Mogwai - Mogwai Young Team
Alcest - Souvenirs D'un Autre Monde
Ulver - Bergtatt: Et Eeventyr i 5 Capitler
Linda Martini - Olhos de Mongol
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Points: 49 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2014 at 08:44
Originally posted by PJ20 PJ20 wrote:

GnR-- Appetite for destruction 



I wasn't aware that GnR were a prog band... Wink
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Points: 2111 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2014 at 08:52
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

I don't know about 'best' but Steve Hackett's Voyage of the Acolyte is an absolute classic. Of course, he has made many fine albums through the years, but this is some hell of a debut.

I agree, one hell of a debut, but the best? I don't know. There's a lot of competition there even from his most recent.

I'll also second Dean's opinion about the Script as Marillion's best (I don't know anything about the Hogarth era, I must admit).

Exactly, there are too many great Hackett albums for Voyage to be considered his best. BTW, I really dislike Marillion, especially Hogarth's vocal work, but I don't find Fish's much better.
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Points: 19942 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2014 at 08:56
Originally posted by PJ20 PJ20 wrote:

GnR-- Appetite for destruction 


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Points: 7954 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2014 at 18:34

    Prog by everyone’s definition (these are, in fact, my favorite albums by these bands): 

Timeloss—Paatos

UK—UK

Space Shanty—Khan

The Dark Third—Pure Reason Revolution 

Spectrum of the Green—Retrospective

Ágaetus Byrjun—Sigur Ros

Todd Rundgren’s Utopia—Utopia

ELP—s/t

De-loused in the Comatorium—The Mars Volta

Overground Music—After Crying

Diagonal—s/t

Choirs of The Eye—Kayo Dot

Moving Gelatine Plates—s/t


   The progressive but not so prog:

The Doors—s/t

America—s/t

Dreamboat Annie—Heart

Tales of Mystery and Imagination—Alan Parsons Project

The Cars—s/t

Boy—U2

The Hurting—Tears for Fears

Welcome to the Pleasuredome—Frankie Goes to Hollywood

Brilliant Trees—David Sylvian

Steve McQueen—Prefab Sprout

s/t—The Dream Academy

Faith—George Michael

Strange Kind of Love—Love and Money

Little Earthquakes—Tori Amos

Ten—Pearl Jam

Extra Virgin—Olive

West Indian Girl—s/t

Lost Souls—doves
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Points: 49 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2014 at 18:12
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Ágaetus Byrjun—Sigur Ros


Actually Ágaetis Byrjun was Sigur Rós's second album, their debut being Von.


Edited by Archeus - August 28 2014 at 18:13
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Points: 1725 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2014 at 22:31
Originally posted by PrognosticMind PrognosticMind wrote:

I'm having a very hard time thinking of bands - prog or not - whose first record was their best.

I'm going to have to return later and edit this post.


Actually, I could name many - outside of prog. What this topic has done though is made me realize just how rare it is within the prog genre. Really interesting...
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