Svetonio wrote: Horizons wrote: If that was true Topographic wouldnt be so polarizing.  I hate JT and i dislike Yes I should be more precise - in 70s symphonic prog there is no one band which can be in the same contest with Yes regarding the long epics. <span id="result_" ="short_text"="" lang="en">Toward <span ="hps"="">your</span> <span ="hps"="">hatred for</span> <span ="hps"="">Jethro Tull & dislike Yes, I can only laugh on it, because it's something like to be a member of a metal forum and to hate e.g. Iron Maiden.</span></span> <span ="short_text"="" lang="en"><span ="hps"=""></span></span> <span ="short_text"="" lang="en"><span ="hps"=""></span></span> <span ="short_text"="" lang="en"><span ="hps"=""></span></span> <span ="short_text"="" lang="en"><span ="hps"=""></span></span>

Actually, I guess it would be much easier to find a fan of Metal music who would end up disliking Iron Maiden, than a fan of prog who would dislike Yes. Specially, there are many extreme Metal fans who seem to be proud about disliking bands such as Iron Maiden and Metallica and dismiss them as too soft, or pop, or whatever may fancy them in order to appear tougher and with stronger tastes (well, there are those around here that would dismiss the classic prog giants for not being innovative enough, or virtuos enough, or whatever may fancy them).

I reckon Yes were best from 1969-1971. CTTE is similar quality but you can see the cracks coming through on this album which were more noticeable on the next 2 albums. The cracks I mention are the bit of filler across the longer length songs from 1972-74 even though there is plenty of pretty good music in between. But I find each album weakened as the years went by between 72 and 74.

For many years this would have been an absolute walkover for CTTE.  However I am (after 30 years ) developing a real affinity for TAAB so this is much closer than it once was.  The vote is still for Yes for the time being put post this poll again next year (surely somebody will ) and the answer might be different.........

I never stand in wrong opinions and change my opinion when I found it wrong.If this is wrong in your book , you dont do this. I am here for learning more and talk about music. Moshkito is one of my friends in PA like octopus-4. I always follow their posts . I wait for Octopus not you Dellinger. I dont know you and I dont want to continue this discuss with you.

O666 wrote: O666 wrote: Dellinger wrote: O666 wrote: octopus-4 wrote: TAAB would be great if 20 minutes length. To me is full of fillers. CTTE is completely consistent. No one can call "And You And I" filler. The best Tull album for me is Aqualung Hi.  Hmm..."Fillers" again. Honestly this "Filler" made me to note (zoom) to long tracks with this point of view again and its change my opinion about some of them (long track or epic or ...). I think "Filler" theory! "CAN" be a good measure for analysis some tracks or songs or ...but its not work for everything!! Sometimes one song or Album may have powerful musical structure or another perfect musical elements without using "perfect fillers" or perfect using of "Fillers"!! I mean there are more important measures to analysis and review music than "Filler" but in many case you can't ignore that. "When" and "Where" are 2 good words for ranking "Filler" value in one good analysis(IMO). I really hope you understand me. Thanks. OK, I just found a pair of flaws in your impersonation. Moshkito wouldn't so easily let something change his opinion, I believe. Nor do I think the would begin a post with an expression like "mmm"... and you missed an opinion about something related to expressing some songs as filler is just sad. Perhaps he would have said that the artist surely doesn't write material thinking to make it filler, and that it's just sad that we can't apreciate and understand what they were trying to say, etc. MISUNDERSTANDING!! You don't know my opinion. I like "Filler" theory. I cant understand your opinion. I cant understand why you are angry with me?!!!!

Indeed now I think this was a huge misunderstandinf on my part. Hey, I'm really sorry, just, because of a few details on the way you posted, it seemed to me that you were fooling around imitating Moshkito, and I tried to join in the fooling around. I meant absolutley no offense towards you nor towards Moshkito (and actually I NEVER post anything with the intention of offending anyone), and I'm really sorry if either of you took it the wrong way (even though I rather doubt Moshkito even saw this posts). Now this is what happens to me for assuming things wrongly

Is there a better masterpiece than CTTE? I have not heard any yet… Granted, some get extremely close. But still, they did not surpass the stunning creation by Yes that is Close to the Edge.

Foxtrot

Dellinger wrote: O666 wrote: Thank you Dellinger. Honestly my English is not good and sometimes its make me mistake.Few days before octopus wrote a comment  about mike oldfield's Tubular Bells and use "Fillers" word in long tracks or epic or... and I saw this for first time. I like this "Filler" and after that I listened to some of long tracks or epics again with "Filler" poin of view and ..... This is all about fillers. I don't want to waste your time and I hope you understand me. I care about PA members and I don't want to disturb any one in PA forum. Perhaps sometimes we discuss hard about our opinion and attack to each other but this is about music. Thank you again my friend.  It's good to know that we are OK, and I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. But however, even if it was not my intention, I even managed to make at leas one more user believe that you did were trying to impersonate Mosh

Barbu wrote: Foxtrot

Naaaah, I much prefer Selling. Godbluff's another prog pinnacle candidate, as far as I'm concerned.

Jethro Tull, Thick as a Brick.