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LOL Ah, right. That was your comment not mine. Glad we cleared that up. 
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Points: 20470 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2014 at 13:40
^It certainly was my comment. You're a bit too convoluted to say something that simple. But I have experienced, though not recorded, Theremins in the past. The first one was cobbled together by a friend from some parts he had gotten from some Eastern Block country. When he first turn it on it worked like a Tesla Coil from Hell shocking everyone that came near it. The next one he made worked better but I listened to it over the phone. That's as close as I wanted to get to it.





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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2014 at 14:03
You make a statement that you later disagree with and I'm a bit too convoluted? Wacko
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^Relax Darth, it was all said in fun.





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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2014 at 14:11
Yeah, mine too. Tongue






"The Beach Boys are not Proto Prog"
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Points: 20470 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2014 at 14:14
^Touché, my friend.






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Interrstingly, website Prog Rock.Com has it's own 'proto' like catogry called "Progressive Roots" and lists their following top 5 from the oldest to the newest as such:

1. Pet Sounds-Beach Boys
2. Good Vibrations-Beach Boys
3. Surrealistic Pillow-Jefferson Airplane
4. Sgt. Pepper's-The Beatles
5. Piper At The Gates of Dawn-Pink Floyd





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Steve please make a signature by using your member control panel instead of writing it beneath your post every single time
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Points: 20470 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2014 at 10:27
^OK, being that it it looks permenant to me. I will comply, but I don't dig the big use of dead space to accompany it.

But after seeing yours, I don't that bothers me anymore.


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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:




^OK, being that it it looks permenant to me. I will comply, but I don't dig the big use of dead space to accompany it.
But after seeing yours, I don't that bothers me anymore.



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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Interrstingly, website Prog Rock.Com has it's own 'proto' like catogry called "Progressive Roots" and lists their following top 5 from the oldest to the newest as such:

1. Pet Sounds-Beach Boys
2. Good Vibrations-Beach Boys
3. Surrealistic Pillow-Jefferson Airplane
4. Sgt. Pepper's-The Beatles
5. Piper At The Gates of Dawn-Pink Floyd

Odd that they list "Good Vibrations" along other album titles, as if Smiley Smile is just too weird to credit as a real release so they credit the popular single instead.   It is further indication of just how out of favor and misunderstood the Boys' 1967 offering was and still is.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Interrstingly, website Prog Rock.Com has it's own 'proto' like catogry called "Progressive Roots" and lists their following top 5 from the oldest to the newest as such:

1. Pet Sounds-Beach Boys
2. Good Vibrations-Beach Boys
3. Surrealistic Pillow-Jefferson Airplane
4. Sgt. Pepper's-The Beatles
5. Piper At The Gates of Dawn-Pink Floyd



No Strawberry Fields Forever / Penny Lane in the top five?! Shocked
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^ I guess they figured that since those two were originally supposed to be on Pepper, there was no need to put in on there, thinking that fans would associate the single with the album.
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Interrstingly, website Prog Rock.Com has it's own 'proto' like catogry called "Progressive Roots" and lists their following top 5 from the oldest to the newest as such:

1. Pet Sounds-Beach Boys
2. Good Vibrations-Beach Boys
3. Surrealistic Pillow-Jefferson Airplane
4. Sgt. Pepper's-The Beatles
5. Piper At The Gates of Dawn-Pink Floyd



No Strawberry Fields Forever / Penny Lane in the top five?! Shocked
 
It is not a top-5 chart but a chronology or timeline. SteveG was being a very misleading in numbering this list and in calling it a "top 5". And the list compiler, Proc Rock Dot Carm, (a little unknown radio channel) is being very selective. But whatever it takes to make a point is fair game, what he really needs to do is find well known Prog website with some provenance and gravitas that supports the assertion... something like Progears, Proggnosis, the New Gibraltar Encyclopaedia of Prog Rock (GEPR) or ProgressoR (just kidding about with the last one)... except none of them do. 
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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 03:51
Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha KingCrInuYasha wrote:

^ I guess they figured that since those two were originally supposed to be on Pepper, there was no need to put in on there, thinking that fans would associate the single with the album.
I think that as they have already put Good Vibrations the single with the albums in a top five "progressive roots" list, they were supposed to put Strawberry Fields Forever / Penny Lane the single instead of Pepper.
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Points: 64332 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 03:56
^ but there is no "Surrealistic Pillow" song
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 04:27
If early Progressive Rock (1969-7?) had developed solely from those 5 releases it would be an entirely different genre to the one we know today.
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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 05:43
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ but there is no "Surrealistic Pillow" song
Surrealistic Pillow the album was for me always (and still is) a nice psychedelic rock / folk rock album, but there is no "p" of  prog imo.
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Points: 19942 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 05:48
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ but there is no "Surrealistic Pillow" song
That whole list is confusing - there's 1 song and 4 albums.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 06:08
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ but there is no "Surrealistic Pillow" song
That whole list is confusing - there's 1 song and 4 albums.
The list has been taken out of context: here is the original Prog Rock Dot Carm "Roots" webpage: RockStory - Progressive Rock Roots
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