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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 02:51

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 05:08
Should Cameron resign if the Yes wins?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 06:06
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 06:07
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Should Cameron resign if the Yes wins?
I don't see why, he's hardly responsible for Scotland wanting to split away (if indeed they do).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 06:55
^^^ Indeed, it's one thing Cameron can't be blamed for. Scotland has arguably been shafted by successive UK governments for generation. At long last they have the right to vote to be shafted by their own government.

That said, I hope we all stay together. If we don't, my fingers are crossed for the Scots, and I wish them well, but I have a hunch they'll need a little more than just good wishes from me...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 07:41
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

At long last they have the right to vote to be shafted by their own government.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 07:50
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Should Cameron resign if the Yes wins?
I don't see why, he's hardly responsible for Scotland wanting to split away (if indeed they do).
No but he signed the Edinburgh Agrement that makes it all legal and possible. That single signature is essentially callmeDave voting on behalf of the entire English, Welsh and Northern Irish population.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 08:46
Hmmm...if Scotland secedes I wonder if it will foreshadow a return of the Troubles in Northern Ireland. It would certainly give the Republicans the impetus to seek reunification with Eire.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 09:02
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Hmmm...if Scotland secedes I wonder if it will foreshadow a return of the Troubles in Northern Ireland. It would certainly give the Republicans the impetus to seek reunification with Eire.


It certainly raises some interesting questions, like who the Loyalists in Ulster would be "loyal" to - Scotland (where most originate from) or the remaining UK?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 09:11
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

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Should Cameron resign if the Yes wins?
I don't see why, he's hardly responsible for Scotland wanting to split away (if indeed they do).
I think many British could blame him for having underestimated that a Yes was a real possibility. He was overconfident that come the moment of truth Scots would not dear to split. It seems clear by now that that was a very big error of judgement which can cost a high price to Britain.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 09:21
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Should Cameron resign if the Yes wins?
I don't see why, he's hardly responsible for Scotland wanting to split away (if indeed they do).
I think many British could blame him for having underestimated that a Yes was a real possibility. He was overconfident that come the moment of truth Scots would not dear to split. It seems clear by now that that was a very big error of judgement which can cost a high price to Britain.
Really? Do you have advance knowledge of the result then?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 09:28
It was difficult to predict and of course the vote is still to close to call. Equal numbers of Scots DON'T want independence. Lets not forget that.

I take enormous pleasure blaming Cameron for everything from the weather to dog turds on playing fields - obviously - but this isn't something that can be hung on him imo. Indeed, the opposition would also be guilty of under estimating the strength of feeling in the yes camp, if this were the case.

That said, I did think that all three manin parties did look desperate running up to Scotland in a show of uncharacteristic solidarity at the 11th hour.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 09:41
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 09:44
I hope the YES wins. Self-determination of the peoples of the Earth is always good even if we end up with 12346 little countries everywhere... Then they will just start re-uniting again and we'll go back to a healthy number around 300 hundred. And maybe finally empires will come back and will reduce that even further. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 09:54
My biggest issue is that Salmond is often unrealistic is how he thinks things are going to play out after a Yes vote.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 10:03
I hope the Yes wins because this will give Brussels a good smack in the chops that they have deserved for so long.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 10:09
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

My biggest issue is that Salmond is often unrealistic is how he thinks things are going to play out after a Yes vote.


It does seem a bit 'wing and a prayer' with uncertainties being dismissed as not a problem. Would the European Union let Scotland in, given several EU states are worried about their own separatist movements? Would the Nato nuclear alliance admit a country that has just booted such weapons out? Why would a newly independent country want its monetary policy in effect controlled by the Bank of England? I think the Scots would probably get rid of Salmond pretty quickly once he'd served his purpose of getting independence.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 10:18
It's worse than that:  not only does he think EU membership is guaranteed, but that they'll be "fasttracked" because they're a successor state to an EU member, never mind that he was told time and time again that they would have to apply through the normal channels and processes.  Also (European friends, please help me out), aren't new EU members required to adopt the euro?  (i.e., the UK was "grandfathered" in).

I don't think Scotland wants to be part of NATO, so no worry there, even though they'll still benefit from the alliance should it come down to it.  (some of the silliest internet talk has involved Putin invading Scotland)

The currency issue is the worst of all - he's convinced himself a currency union will happen despite, again, being told over and over by Westminster that it absolutely will not.  Why he thinks a representative from an independent country will have a say in the deliberations of the BoE is beyond my comprehension.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 10:21
Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

I hope the Yes wins because this will give Brussels a good smack in the chops that they have deserved for so long.


Will it? How?

Salmond ultimately wants an independent Scotland to be part of the EU, maybe even join the single currency. One point that is broadly and deliberately missed in the debate is that Salmond actually doesn't want independence at all. He wants full EU membership, which regardless of how one feels about the EU, is the polar opposite of independence. To have their monetry policy, social policy, employment legislation etc passed in a foreign country by people they haven't elected seems bizarre to me. They moan about the hold Westminster has had over them for so many years, but I'm wondering how much better off and independent they'll be as an EU economic basket case, indebted to the ECB and IMF for decades.

If it goes that way that will put paid to Salmonds socialist wet dream, because they may be forced to sell off their public services to the private sector to pay their debts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2014 at 10:31
Looks like some pro independence thugs are starting to show their true colours. Not very British...

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