The Role of Computers in Prog

Digital is convenient and inexpensive at a base line level.  I've done a lot of digital recording.  It can sound ok.. but it doesn't get my hairs to raise or send chills down my spine. 

When I cue up a good vinyl cut side by side with the CD version.. it's laughable really. I always play the CD first, then let the listener hear the vinyl.  I have a quality vinyl set up though.

now there I disagree with you too, digital certainly listening via headphones with the mixing of instrumentals are positioned correctly, they give me chicken skin, may have the most euphoric overflowing layers, pauses and tempos. I see no difference in either.

Surrealist wrote: I like how a lot of the 60's Verve records were recorded.  Often just ambient miking in a good room with everyone playing live. That's the way to do it.  Why can't Prog bands do that?

Thus you still record and master using tapes?

The problem with headphones is that you can't feel the music in your body.  The digital argument is that we can't hear below 35 hz or above 18Khz.  But what about what the body can feel at lower frequencies?  If I stand behind you and grab your shoulders.. I could rock you back and forth slowly and you would surely feel that.. but not be able to hear that.
Who knows about high frequencies that we might experience on our skin or hair that our ears can't hear.  Animals hear things in recordings we don't.. but I can't and won't rule out that I am still being affected outside of what my ears can hear.

I agree that headphones can be useful for mixing and soundstage placement.  But I prefer big high efficiency horn driven speakers to really feel the music.  I know it's not always accessible for many living in small quarters or flats.  That's a good reason to make friends with someone who has a proper set up.

Surrealist wrote: The problem with headphones is that you can't feel the music in your body.  The digital argument is that we can't hear below 35 hz or above 18Khz.  But what about what the body can feel at lower frequencies?  If I stand behind you and grab your shoulders.. I could rock you back and forth slowly and you would surely feel that.. but not be able to hear that.Who knows about high frequencies that we might experience on our skin or hair that our ears can't hear.  Animals hear things in recordings we don't.. but I can't and won't rule out that I am still being affected outside of what my ears can hear.I agree that headphones can be useful for mixing and soundstage placement.  But I prefer big high efficiency horn driven speakers to really feel the music.  I know it's not always accessible for many living in small quarters or flats.  That's a good reason to make friends with someone who has a proper set up.

ok now you and I obviously do not see eye to eye here really, we have gone 360degees in terms of opposite opinion, headphones give the best listening experience, I hear all the notes and from where they come from, i.e. some from the bottom left, others above, while others go behind my head from one side to the other while other go from one side right across my face to the other side. Overflowing tunes coming together this feeling one cannot even get by B&W speakers.

If the choosen format is tape reel...  not cassette tapes which are awful... then you can do a straight transfer.  The best quality possible.  Think about it Dean... if you go on Ebay and look for original reel to reel releases from the age of the audiophile 60's and 70's... they sell for much more than mint vinyl pressings.  Why? because those that know.. know its' better.  The quality is there.. and it's understood for those really in touch.

I have a first generation copy of a 1974 Grateful Dead concert and it sounds amazing on reel to reel.

Surrealist, send us something to listen to prove your fact.

I would love to...
But anything posted here would be digitized into the lowest format.. MP3 etc. 
I could send you a vinyl record and a complete stereo system for Christmas!

Think of it this way... if you go into a digital photography with a magnifying glass.. eventually you will see squares.. pixels.
It's essentially the same with sound.  With analog photography.. that doesn't happen.. you zoom in and everything just gets more and more interesting... same with analog recording.

I'm not trying to be argumentative.. just enlightening for a few who inspire the explore and venture into higher quality audio experience.

Surrealist wrote: The problem with headphones is that you can't feel the music in your body.  The digital argument is that we can't hear below 35 hz or above 18Khz.  But what about what the body can feel at lower frequencies?  If I stand behind you and grab your shoulders.. I could rock you back and forth slowly and you would surely feel that.. but not be able to hear that. Who knows about high frequencies that we might experience on our skin or hair that our ears can't hear.  Animals hear things in recordings we don't.. but I can't and won't rule out that I am still being affected outside of what my ears can hear. I agree that headphones can be useful for mixing and soundstage placement.  But I prefer big high efficiency horn driven speakers to really feel the music.  I know it's not always accessible for many living in small quarters or flats.  That's a good reason to make friends with someone who has a proper set up.

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Surrealist wrote: addictedtoprog wrote: I listen to my music using earphones. I believe my experience is complete and i miss nothing.

When you go to a concert... and the music has enough bass and volume.. can't you feel that in your body? In your chest etc?You can't get that using earphones. [/QUOTE] Im not lucky enough to have experienced any live concert..but still lucky being a progger and using whatever source i hav to listen to the music.