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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 18:16
Funny...we are all "audiophiles". Regardless of what/how you listen to your music you desire it to sound the best it can, which is what an audiophile wants...the best sound possible.

And yes I know there are extreme cases on both ends...but someone listening to a mp3 at 128kbps on their $100 phone thru $30 earplugs wants it to sound good. Just like the guy who spent $30,000 on an analog rig or $50,000 on a digital rig, they want it to sound good.

Both are audiophiles.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 18:28
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Surrealist Surrealist wrote:

Same old crap.  

So it appears. 


Originally posted by Surrealist Surrealist wrote:


Techno/ rap/ hip hop crap is now 80% of the market. 
...or 5% if you use actual statistics instead of guesswork.


But let's not allow stupid things like facts and figures get in the way eh?
This is interesting Dean, but I wonder how much "Hip Hop" is actually classified as Pop now. There's rap and the there's Gangsta Rap. Big difference.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 18:38
When you watch the music award shows.....70-80% of the show is geared towards Rap/HipHop/Country/Pop...The Rock is not what you and I classify as Rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 18:42
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

When you watch the music award shows.....70-80% of the show is geared towards Rap/HipHop/Country/Pop...The Rock is not what you and I classify as Rock.
I definitely agree with that. Even older Country artists like Steve Earle can't relate to modern Country, let alone modern Pop.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 18:53
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

This is interesting Dean, but I wonder how much "Hip Hop" is actually classified as Pop now. There's rap and the there's Gangsta Rap. Big difference.
Yup. Still doesn't make 80% no matter how he frigs the numbers. 

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

When you watch the music award shows.....70-80% of the show is geared towards Rap/HipHop/Country/Pop...The Rock is not what you and I classify as Rock.
Yup. Confuses the hell out of me too - 100% of UK broadcast radio is Dance, R&B and Pop, no Rock what so ever no matter how you classify it. This is why I ignore music awards shows and don't listen to the radio. But who needs actual statistics when we have perception, it's like genre-windchill - it's 5% but it feels like 80%.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 18:56
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

  it's like genre-windchill - it's 5% but it feels like 80%.
LOL
That term could come in handy for our team evaluations.
"It's not really Avant-Prog, the genre-windchill only makes it feel that way."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:00
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

 This is why I ignore music awards shows and don't listen to the radio. But who needs actual statistics when we have perception, it's like genre-windchill - it's 5% but it feels like 80%.
I agree but sometimes the windchill feels like 100%.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:01
Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

  it's like genre-windchill - it's 5% but it feels like 80%.
LOL
That term could come in handy for our team evaluations.
"It's not really Avant-Prog, the genre-windchill only makes it feel that way."
ClapClapClapClap Well done, Steve.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:01
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Funny...we are all "audiophiles". Regardless of what/how you listen to your music you desire it to sound the best it can, which is what an audiophile wants...the best sound possible. 

And yes I know there are extreme cases on both ends...but someone listening to a mp3 at 128kbps on their $100 phone thru $30 earplugs wants it to sound good. Just like the guy who spent $30,000 on an analog rig or $50,000 on a digital rig, they want it to sound good. 

Both are audiophiles.
I'll stick to using the term audiophilist for the latter and music fan for the former.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:02
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

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true plus maximum music per side on an LP is 15 minutes per side, thus limited.


15 min is not a maximum per side for an LP..There is a limit, but 15 is not a maximum.

Side 1 of JT~Passion Play is 23:07
Side 3 of Spocks Beard~The Light 23:07
Side 1 of Mike Oldfield~Tubular Bells 25:00

And all sound fantastic....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:06
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Funny...we are all "audiophiles". Regardless of what/how you listen to your music you desire it to sound the best it can, which is what an audiophile wants...the best sound possible.

And yes I know there are extreme cases on both ends...but someone listening to a mp3 at 128kbps on their $100 phone thru $30 earplugs wants it to sound good. Just like the guy who spent $30,000 on an analog rig or $50,000 on a digital rig, they want it to sound good.

Both are audiophiles.
I had a friend that would only listen to music on a car radio. He  also ate peanut butter and jelly sandwiches with pasta with sauce. There's just no accounting for taste
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:07
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

  it's like genre-windchill - it's 5% but it feels like 80%.
LOL
That term could come in handy for our team evaluations.
"It's not really Avant-Prog, the genre-windchill only makes it feel that way."
ClapClapClapClap Well done, Steve.
Come to think of it, maybe that explains your confusion over Beach Boys being Proto-Prog too.. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:08
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

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true plus maximum music per side on an LP is 15 minutes per side, thus limited.


15 min is not a maximum per side for an LP..There is a limit, but 15 is not a maximum.

Side 1 of JT~Passion Play is 23:07
Side 3 of Spocks Beard~The Light 23:07
Side 1 of Mike Oldfield~Tubular Bells 25:00

And all sound fantastic....
The industry standard used to be 25 minutes but, with modern tech, who knows?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:13
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Funny...we are all "audiophiles". Regardless of what/how you listen to your music you desire it to sound the best it can, which is what an audiophile wants...the best sound possible.

And yes I know there are extreme cases on both ends...but someone listening to a mp3 at 128kbps on their $100 phone thru $30 earplugs wants it to sound good. Just like the guy who spent $30,000 on an analog rig or $50,000 on a digital rig, they want it to sound good.

Both are audiophiles.
I had a friend that would only listen to music on a car radio. He  also ate peanut butter and jelly sandwiches with pasta with sauce. There's just no accounting for taste


Hey! I like PB&J with strawberry jam only...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:36
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

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true plus maximum music per side on an LP is 15 minutes per side, thus limited.


15 min is not a maximum per side for an LP..There is a limit, but 15 is not a maximum.

Side 1 of JT~Passion Play is 23:07
Side 3 of Spocks Beard~The Light 23:07
Side 1 of Mike Oldfield~Tubular Bells 25:00

And all sound fantastic....
TB1 side 1 sounds a bit ropey towards the end, it could have been improved a lot by being a few minutes shorter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:39
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

The industry standard used to be 25 minutes but, with modern tech, who knows?
The only way to cram more on to a side is to heavily compress the audio as this reduces the lateral excursions (wiggle) in the groove. Albums that have 30+ minutes per side sound flat and lifeless because they lack dynamic range.
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The only way to cram more on to a side is to heavily compress the audio as this reduces the lateral excursions (wiggle) in the groove. Albums that have 30+ minutes per side sound flat and lifeless because they lack dynamic range.

Wow, Dean and I actually agree on something. Get out the party hats!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 20:33
As far as the modern music.. I was referring to LIVE music.  400K kids out at some Techno fest over in Europe this summer.  That is the Woodstock of this head down generation.  The children of the Atari generation and Playstation generation.

I just hope some future generation looks at the crap their parents were listening to and say.." you're kidding right?

Ask any 15 year old kid what they like and they will start talking about "beat's and groove's"
It's computer generated garbage.  I never thought I would want to be a communist but if there was a country that would ban all that crap I would move there.  Only original music allowed.  No sampling or loops allowed.  All bands must play at least 20% of their music in odd meters.  No guns, no drum machines.  10 years in prison for either. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 20:40
In my generation... any 15 year old kid knew who YES was or Jethro Tull. Every kid knew Pink Floyd.  Most new ELP and all kids knew Led Zeppelin.  Alan Parsons was considered gentle Prog.  Robin Trower was played all over the place. Kids would discuss the meaning of life with you. Conversations were deep and meaningful.  We still had some time to talk about dime bags and girls.  But it was a much more intellectual generation.  Kids today usually know a lot about one or two things.. but they can't fix a car or turn a screw driver. 

I read an interview with Roger Dean and he said if you looked at the year 2014 through a 1969 perspective, one would be VERY Disappointed.  I couldn't agree more.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 20:51
^ Let's not make unjustified generalizing statements here. The thread is called "The Role of Computers in Prog".
Originally posted by Surrealist Surrealist wrote:

As far as the modern music. I was referring to LIVE music. 400K kids out at some Techno fest over in Europe this summer. That is the Woodstock of this head down generation. The children of the Atari generation and Playstation generation.
I just hope some future generation looks at the crap their parents were listening to and say.." you're kidding right?

Ask any 15 year old kid what they like and they will start talking about "beat's and groove's"
It's computer generated garbage.  I never thought I would want to be a communist but if there was a country that would ban all that crap I would move there.  Only original music allowed.  No sampling or loops allowed.  All bands must play at least 20% of their music in odd meters.  No guns, no drum machines.  10 years in prison for either.
I don't know whether or not this was meant as a joke, but in any case I think you should give techno a chance. Maybe there are just too many acts out there who give it a bad name and very few that don't. Tell me TD's "Phaedra" doesn't sound to you like techno in any way.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - September 23 2014 at 20:56
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