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    Posted: September 24 2014 at 15:08
Rush is listed in PA under Heavy Prog. But is Rush Heavy Prog or Progressive Metal? Inquiring minds need to know. What's your thoughts?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2014 at 15:21
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Rush is listed in PA under Heavy Prog. But is Rush Heavy Prog or Progressive Metal? Inquiring minds need to know. What's your thoughts?


I've always thought of Rush as primarily being a hard rock band which certainly has links to classic heavy metal.  Heavy Prog is the most apt category. 

Originally posted by PA PA wrote:

Heavy Prog definition Heavy Prog defines progressive rock music that draws as much influence from hard rock as it does from classic progressive rock. In simple terms, it is a marriage of the guitar-based heavy blues of the late 1960s and 1970s - artists such as Cream, Led Zeppelin, and Black Sabbath - and the progressive/symphonic movement represented by King Crimson, Yes and Genesis.


The most important period froma prog perpective for Rush is the 70s through early 80s, and that music does not befit what is now known as Prog Metal as well as what we call Heavy Prog.  Prog Metal bands in PA were influenced by Rush, so it's more Proto Prog Metal.  Heavy Prog is just right, I think.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2014 at 15:21
I don't think Rush is Progressive Metal. BUT...I believe the first side of 2112 is one of the earliest examples of it, or "Proto"-PM, if that makes any sense.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2014 at 15:26
^Makes sense to me. Thanks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2014 at 16:35
There are ways of telling whether Rush is Prog Metal.
Are there? What are they? Tell us. Do they hurt?
Tell me, what do you do with Rush?
Burn them!
And what do you burn, apart from Rush?
More Rushes! Wood!
So why does Rush burn?
'Cause they're made of wood? 
Good! How do we tell if Rush is made of wood? 
Build a bridge out of them.
But can you not also make bridges out of stone?
Oh, yeah.
Does wood sink in water?
No, it floats. Throw them into the pond!
What also floats in water?
Bread. Apples. Very small rocks. Cider! Great gravy.Cherries. Mud. Churches. Lead. A duck!
Exactly. So, logically-- If Rush weighs the same as a duck...
Rush's made of wood.
And therefore?
Prog Metal! A duck! A duck! Here's a duck.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2014 at 16:44
^Hmmm, not really sure if that's a yes or a no.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2014 at 17:08
You're not sure whether three middle-aged men weigh more than a duck... Ermm o-kay...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2014 at 17:29
Between the two listed I would vote Heavy Prog. In that there is a heavy does of progressive elements in all their music. I don't think there is a heavy does of metal in all their music.

Many middle of the road rock bands, a la Foo-Fighters, are influenced by Rush, as well as metal bands.

Based on their whole catalog, as an average, Heavy Prog works well.

Its really called "Rush Music"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2014 at 19:11
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Between the two listed I would vote Heavy Prog. In that there is a heavy does of progressive elements in all their music. I don't think there is a heavy does of metal in all their music.

Many middle of the road rock bands, a la Foo-Fighters, are influenced by Rush, as well as metal bands.

Based on their whole catalog, as an average, Heavy Prog works well.

Its really called "Rush Music"
Catch, I consider you to be the house expert  on Rush so your opinion carries a lot of weight with me. I think that their metal edge puts them in a different box then Yes or Genesis, so "Rush Music" it is! PA, it's time for a new sub genre! Big smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2014 at 19:13
Heavy Prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2014 at 19:27
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:



Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Between the two listed I would vote Heavy Prog. In that there is a heavy does of progressive elements in all their music. I don't think there is a heavy does of metal in all their music.

Many middle of the road rock bands, a la Foo-Fighters, are influenced by Rush, as well as metal bands.

Based on their whole catalog, as an average, Heavy Prog works well.

Its really called "Rush Music"
Catch, I consider you to be the house expert  on Rush so your opinion carries a lot of weight with me. I think that their metal edge puts them in a different box then Yes or Genesis, so "Rush Music" it is! PA, it's time for a new sub genre! Big smile


As much as I dislike Gene Simmons and all his antics, the one intelligent comment he made in Beyond The Lighted Stage...when asked what kind of music is it...he simply said "it's Rush music.."

PA needs no more sub-sub-sub-sub genres
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2014 at 19:31
^Agreed! Heavy Prog it is!   Hail Rush! Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2014 at 20:47
Heavy Prog. Crossover would for a lot of the stuff they did in the 80s and afterwards though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2014 at 21:27
Not heavy enough to be considered metal to me. But much heavier than the other classic bands, heavy prog is perfect I think, but it is interesting to hear the influence they had on many different aspects of metal in general, I hear Rush in Iron Maiden, Dream Theater, certain thrash bands. Rush have made their mark on a few different genres, but heavy prog makes the most since.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2014 at 23:07
Here in Canada they are considered 'classic rock'.Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2014 at 00:59
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Between the two listed I would vote Heavy Prog. In that there is a heavy does of progressive elements in all their music. I don't think there is a heavy does of metal in all their music. 

Many middle of the road rock bands, a la Foo-Fighters, are influenced by Rush, as well as metal bands. 

Based on their whole catalog, as an average, Heavy Prog works well. 

Its really called "Rush Music"
In the old days there was Art Rock. Art Rock was a mess, with Mike Oldfield, King Crimson and Rush all sharing space on the same PA shelf. So we split it into three, the first we called Eclectic, the second we called Crossover, the third we called  ... well we called it Heavy but really it was a subgenre invented purely to contain Rush.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2014 at 01:19
Heavy prog best fit
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2014 at 03:24
I am not a great fan of Rush to be honest, Geddy's vocals are high pitched although through the years it got better, so are the vocals of Budgie vocalist however Parents is one of my ultimate fav tracks ever Ok back to topic, considering that prog got a bad name due to the music industry corporate suits in the 80's, many bands turned pop, Rush was a breath of fresh air to be honest instead of punk or pop alternatives for sure. No doubt they are outstanding musicians, somehow I prefer 4 member bands compared to 3 it seems.
Neil Peart double kicks *ss and yes I read his book, however (awww please don't kill me) he is partly to blame to Geddy's singing too because most times I don't like the singing, love the bass line too much, but the lyrics at times are a bit corny too    pls do not shoot me!! hugs
I would describe them as prog rock yes I will especially during the 80's.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2014 at 04:33
A bit of everything..

In their career they've been heavy rock, prog metal, heavy prog, prog related...

For now I think heavy prog or crossover are fine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2014 at 04:43
Metal?  Good grief.  Ain't never been nohow near as I reckon. 
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