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Dean 
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 Posted: October 14 2014 at 06:12 |
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It put me in mind of Genesis/Hackett more than Floyd, so if not Symph then Eclectic. It certainly isn't Psyche/Space, Xover or Prog Folk and Neo would be totally wrong (IMO).
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yam yam
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Posted: October 13 2014 at 22:25 |
What sub would you suggest moving this suggestion to then (if the other team members also feel that Symphonic isn't the right place for it)?
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yam yam
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Posted: October 13 2014 at 22:18 |
It starts with waves of synths which are then joined by some wailing guitar licks with a liitle percussion in the background, before the drums kick in after about two minutes and the main body of the track begins. The (mainly female) vocals are introduced just before the four-minute mark (the brief male vocals that combine with them at the start of this section are spoken rather than sung). It is pretty easy to tell whether you have the right song even without this information though - since the caption above the track timeline will say "Beyond The Wall by The Emerald Dawn". All the tracks played on the show have markers set at their starting point, which identify the music being listened to at any particular time throughout the duration of the podcast. 'Beyond The Wall' segues seamlessly into 'Lift The Memory' by Kaukasus, but the text above the timeline will change to indicate that this has happened.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: October 13 2014 at 20:56 |
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If I have indeed heard all the songs then I don't think it is really symphonic. "Beyond the Wall" puts me more in the mind of an extended Pink Floyd jam with symphonic only entering in the middle with the keyboards. The same is pretty much true with "Burdian's Lament." Most of it consists of extended jams with a steady beat. There is nothing symphonic at all in "Shadow in the Light." The only one that really fits is "In Search of the Lost key."
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bhikkhu
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Posted: October 13 2014 at 20:40 |
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Okay, just to be sure I heard the right tune, is it kind of repetitive in the beginning and end with a big keyboard part in the middle?
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yam yam
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Posted: October 13 2014 at 19:50 |
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It takes about 20 seconds to find...Click on http://www.mixcloud.com/ianfairholm/eppy-gibbon-podcast-music-show-episode-128-a-long-track-special/, and when the music starts playing grab the cursor in the widget at the bottom and slide it to the 28 minute mark. Job done! As Ally said in her earlier post, this isn't the final album version of the track, but it's close enough to it for evaluation purposes. |
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bhikkhu
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Posted: October 13 2014 at 17:37 |
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Making us work for this one.
 I've got the links for three of them but I really don't relish the thought of sifting through an entire radio show looking for one song. Is there anything else available for Beyond the wall?
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someone_else
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Posted: October 13 2014 at 02:57 |
Didn't work. This one works better:
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Ally Carter
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Posted: October 12 2014 at 20:57 |
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yam yam
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Posted: October 09 2014 at 07:08 |
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Thanks Dean!
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Dean
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Posted: October 09 2014 at 02:28 |
done.
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Ally Carter
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Posted: October 09 2014 at 02:15 |
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PS The comment about 'Waves' being included in our debut album was an erroneous assumption. It's actually going to be in our second album, which is one track from being finished.
Edited by Ally Carter - October 09 2014 at 02:16 |
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Ally Carter
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Posted: October 09 2014 at 02:14 |
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Hi Yam Yam,
Thanks for all of the work you have been doing! You are a hero. The 'Beyond the Wall' version you have found should do for deciding our category in Prog Archives (I think Symphonic Progressive Rock), but it isn't the album mix. The not-live version of 'In Search of the Lost Key' you found on You Tube is very different to the album version in so far as the album version has Tom playing excellent drums, while the old You Tube version has a ghastly, repetitive drum machine! In short, the album is, in my view, much better than the clips you have found, but they do provide a good, rough and ready, idea of our sound, or at least a good enough idea to decide our category. Thanks! |
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yam yam
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Posted: October 08 2014 at 13:52 |
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Thanks for the link Ally - very slight typo in it (an 's' missing), but the sample seems perfectly good enough to me regarding quality as far as an evaluation on PA is concerned - we don't need audiophile quality for this purpose, just as long as it isn't something recorded on a cheap mobile phone from the back row of the audience.
 Anyway, the corrected link is http://stivestv.co.uk/music/emerald-dawn-buridans-lament/.I know who you are talking about regarding the email address for samples, and I'm rather surprised that there was no reply at all to your offer - he could at least have responded and said he didn't want to give it you.  I'm pretty convinced myself that you most definitely fit our Symphonic Prog sub genre, but getting samples to the team for them to confirm this is shaping up to be a somewhat difficult process! Edit: If it helps at all, 'Beyond The Wall' was played on the Epileptic Gibbon Podcast Music Show in his 'long track special' on May 23rd this year: http://www.mixcloud.com/ianfairholm/eppy-gibbon-podcast-music-show-episode-128-a-long-track-special/ - it can be heard by dragging the cursor to 28.00 in the audio. If you're not happy about this link being included here Ally, then let me know and I'll delete it straight away. This means that we now have access to usable versions of three of the four tracks ('Shadow in Light' is on soundcloud) - just a decent version of 'In Search of the Lost Key' is missing now. Ian also played the track 'Waves' in his Summer's End' preview show (5th September), which was stated to come from your 'forthcoming, as yet untitled debut album' - but that one doesn't appear to be included on the final album (it is also on soundcloud though). An old studio version (2011) of 'In Search of the Lost Key' is still on YouTube (all the old myspace samples have now been removed), but I won't embed it here in case it shouldn't still be knocking around. A slightly shortened live version from January this year is available though - albeit rather 'distant' sounding: And I guess that really ought to do it as far as an evaluation is concerned (as well as helping prospective purchasers get a reasonable feel for the album)...without making the whole thing easily accessible in low quality mp3 format for the 'free riders' out there!  Maybe a collab would like to post a link to this thread in the Symphonic team thead? Edited by yam yam - October 08 2014 at 15:08 |
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Ally Carter
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Posted: October 08 2014 at 13:03 |
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Obviously this is not studio quality, but it is a live version of one of the tracks on the album.
http://tivestv.co.uk/music/emerald-dawn-buridans-lament/ I understand that the whole album will be played in two slices on Through the Looking Glass. I think all of it has been played on the Eppy Gibbon Podcast show, on Larne's Finest and on The Ancient One (Cuillin FM). In other words, we've been relying on internet and FM radio play for those into prog to hear the album (without lots of free mp3s flying around cyberspace!). Hope this helps. PS I wanted to email a certain person the tracks so that The Emerald Dawn's music could be evaluated, but I got no reply when I requested an email address. Cheers, Ally. |
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O666
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Posted: October 08 2014 at 11:12 |
100% Agree. I can't buy many albums and I must listen to 1-2 tracks before pay money. Very reasonable Yam
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yam yam
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Posted: October 08 2014 at 11:04 |
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Thanks for clearing that up Ally - It's just that usually with artists who use bandcamp as a distribution platform, the tracks are available to listen to before you buy them (either the digital files or the CD). The samples on myspace are old versions, and only one finished track from 'Searching for the Lost Key' can be heard on soundcloud. I was thinking that the low quality bandcamp streaming samples that are normally made available would have been useful to our evaluation teams, but if you have contacted any them via private message in the meantime and provided them with something they can use then that's great. I will almost certainly be buying this CD too, as I always do with music I really like, but I usually try to listen to a reasonable proportion of an album first if possible before deciding whether or not it's something I want to buy for my collection.
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Dean
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Posted: October 08 2014 at 10:29 |
samples sounded good to me - CD purchased  Definitely Prog, don't know which team should evaluate them for inclusion because I haven't heard the whole album but Symph is possible.
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Ally Carter
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Posted: October 08 2014 at 10:10 |
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Hi Yam Yam, We're not currently planning on releasing digital downloads. I'm sure that you pay for your music. But for every download purchased, 8 are obtained for free. And those who think that they are being radical by saying that all music should be free don't do anything to provide musicians with free studio time, nor with free food! And it costs a lot of money to make an album. Musicians need to get at least some of that money back. Because some musicians are millionaires doesn't justify consigning other musicians to abject poverty. So we're not enthusiastic about providing low-quality mp3s to the 'Give Me' generation of free riders!
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yam yam
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Posted: October 08 2014 at 09:42 |
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Nope - still no stream whatsoever on bandcamp. All tracks on the album have the usual streaming links missing.
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