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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2015 at 17:33
I will most definitely contact you when the time comes.

Music can always be ripped, but the vibe from the original record can't be reproduced except if you transfer the record to a reel.

I think that ripping music is a natural process and you can't go against it.
The only thing you can do is find target audience and if you have a good piece of material, you will get your earned support.

It is the only way IMO
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2015 at 18:46
Originally posted by Lear'sFool Lear'sFool wrote:

 Just a thing, though, Skullhead and Argo: these days there are turntables that can rip vinyl to a computer like CDs have long been able to. 

But of course; I have one of those under my bed GeekBetween its RIAA corrector and ADC they do not very nice things to the sound. Oops, I now remember: no longer USB output there, as I ripped out all the signal path electronics .. felt so good Thumbs Up

I also can convert records to WAV on a CD recorder, and I have (somewhere) a little plasticky widget with RCA inputs and a USB output, which is supposed to be connected to a laptop. 

But all these presume A to D conversion, which would render the ripped "copy" digital, hence not analog and not the same as the record, Q.E.D.

  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2015 at 19:47
^ All noted. Some full album videos on YT like to tout being vinyl rips, presumably thinking that the analog sound is preserved, but now I know that it's futile. They must not have the most discerning ears, either.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2015 at 03:56
The general public settles for much less than they used to.  We used to consider the album cover art to be of near equal importance to the music.  It all went together conceptually, especially in Prog.  I don't buy CD's or downloads for that reason.  

Releasing on vinyl makes a serious statement from the artist.  More so now than ever before.  I would go vinyl only, and create a buzz about it.  You'll get press from being stubborn, arrogant, or whatever haters are out there.  I am sure there would be many here that would be upset they can't download your music in low fi formats for free.  

Take pride in your work. Stand your ground in the rude face of adversity.

Quality wins in the end.  Think beyond your lifetime.  Future generations will look back at this one with rolling eyes I would guess. We are not in the golden age of music right now.  Just turn on the radio or walk into any music club from Tokyo to Helsinki. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2015 at 07:43
Vinyl can easily be ripped. Everything can be ripped. 

Yes, you don't get the "vinyl" sound, not fully, of course. The problem is that the people ripping the music generally don't care - look at all the low quality MP3 rips on the internet. Or just contrast and compare to bootleg tapes from when I were a lad. ;-)

The basic problem is that Joe Public dislikes paying for music where they can get away with it. 

There are several things which can be done - I've put band compilation releases out. If 2-3 bands shared the cost of a vinyl release, it might get somewhere. I may think about it for the future, but !!! The problem is that the number of people out there buying specialist records at full price will probably fit in a Greyhound bus. 

Another way of doing things - put together a "Musician's collective" and release music as part of a "members only club" with a low subscription fee. 

Or just accept you're playing for nothing, now, and have fun. ;-) Set all your stuff to non downloadable, though. There's having fun and being ripped off. ;-)

Note to everyone: on Bandcamp, I am $49 in sales off being able to offer 1000 free downloads a month. If I get those sales before the next album comes out, I'll release the next album for $0, contribution only, so long as it's "personal use only". 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2015 at 08:04
And here's an idea - "lite" albums.
Lite album - free. There's a full length one, pay money. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2015 at 08:33
^ so, are the mods going to add the Lizards to the PA database? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2015 at 08:42
I'd hope so ! ;-)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2015 at 15:07
Many interesting advice here, love this thread!

I think we're gonna go for a kickstarter company and in the meantime, we'll record our gig with cameras and take the audio from soundboard, mix it and publish it cause I know from myself how much I value live recordings.

This is a great place!

Thanks for loving our music!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2015 at 00:19
I'd make sure that if you take the music from the soundboard, there are at least two other ambient mics to pic up the room dynamics, otherwise, you might find the recording very cold, stale and lifeless from the board.

You'd be better to throw a few condenser mics around the stage and get a more natural sound, similar to what you actually sound like.  Try one about 3 or 4 feet away from bass, guitar and keyboard speakers.  One above the drumkit, and one 2 feet out in front of the kick.  You can do wonders with 5 nicely placed ambient mics.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2015 at 06:00
Thanks for the advice, but I think that our recording tech will manage the situation... Wink
I agree, ambient mics can do wonders....Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2015 at 00:54
I'm thinking along similar lines to Lizards... I signed up for Kickstarter a few days ago (didn't start a campaign yet, though) and already have a video out though I don't expect it to do much.

I have spent a lot of the evening generating a qr code that will lead people to my music facebook page, which has various links and other content, then going insane trying to find a way to make the business cards with the code on them CMYK color mode without purchasing photoshop.... because all the printers, even Staples, require this mode that other programs don't use.  Ugh.  I ended up downloading a free trial and have spent a while waiting for it to install.

Burning the candle from both ends, for sure.  It's frustrating and exhausting.  Was in the studio twice in the last week, too, and the nights in between I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to get people to hear the music.

Here's a wacky one for you, though.  Have you ever heard the term, "swag bomb"?  It's described in ridiculous proportions here: http://fourhourworkweek.com/2013/09/29/marc-ecko/ , though the guy talking about it isn't a musician, he's a clothing designer.   The down side to it is that it is expensive and there's absolutely no guarantee that anyone will give a crap about it.  And I'm not quite sure how you'd do a music swag bomb.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2015 at 05:45
I abandoned a kickstarter project because of one obvious reason.

Vinyl production is waaaaaay too expensive and if you want to make it public and sell it to shops, you have to register your release, buy a barcode for it and pay some kind of taxes to the national copyright house.
We are still new in business and I don't want to be eaten by big fishes. I will pay the label racket until we become more known of.

The other thing we're missing is the promotion. Label can do that for us and we'll get only 10-15% of the copies
but we will be heard.

We decided to wait with the kickstarter and open a project for our new album recording, cause this is the expense around $3-4k. People will already know about us (thanks to the reviews and labels), we will have a tour or 2 behind us and it won't be a problem to raise money for a recording session.

A note on the graphical design:
We threw away 200 copies of our cover art because it was not adequately prepared for printing.

ALWAYS ASK FOR A TEST PRINT. If the company doesn't want to provide it, look elsewhere.

Hope this has some sense,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2015 at 14:26
^Yeah, that's why I'm using disc makers to do the CD printing, they take care of pretty much everything for you and it's not ridiculously expensive.  They do the bar codes and sign you up for CDBaby who will do the licensing/royalty/promotion stuff for you, basically acting as your temporary label unless and until you get signed.  Granted the promotion pretty much amounts to just getting your stuff on all the online services and CDs into stores, not billboards or poster campaigns or anything like that, but it's better than me having to do all of it on my own.  They do a test print (yay).

Here's a random thing - part of my day job is advertising certain events we're running, and for the first time yesterday we tried paying for the Facebook post "promotion," which funnels your post out to people who have interests that match those you list.  It multiplied our post views by a factor of forty, our post participation (likes, comments, and clicks) by a factor of about 50, and number of shares by a factor of 20, and all this is in less than 24 hours after paying a measly 20 bucks.  I was surprised.  I thought we'd get way less than that - maybe double or less.  I'm considering doing this when the album is close to coming out, maybe as the Kickstarter starts.

My major disadvantage in the live scene is that I have severe, crippling stage fright.  I can play and sing quite well on my own but as soon as someone is watching me, even if that "someone" is a microphone, I start to clench up.

I temporarily solved my CMYK issue by getting a free trial of Photoshop.  So far it seems very much like GIMP but with a few features missing and a few others added, one of those being good CMYK support.  I finished the initial qr code card design and attempted to send the thing to Staples online to test print, had trouble so will just go in person at some point.  Was hoping to do this today so that I could visit a local music store with them.
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