Freak Out!: Mother's Of Invention.

HackettFan wrote: Svetonio wrote: micky wrote: ^ yeah. I listen to that and immediately launch into a few 'hell yeah Frank' prog album? whatever.  Great album?  No doubt.  I see it more as the first alternative rock album actually. Why not as the first art-rock album? It would be more logical than alt.rock, isn't?  Yeah, Art Rock or Avant Garde Rock is what I would've called it. Given that PA subsumes Avant/RIO as a genre of Prog, it would have to be the first Prog album. I agree with Micky's point, though, as far as how different it was from British Prog.

Freak Out! is different than any other later recorded 60s English Art Rock album but it doesn't mean that Freak Out! is not an Art-Rock album. After all, Zappa always was very different than any band or solo artist from England. That diversity is not the case with Freak Out! only; it's the same thing with the whole Zappa's catalogue.

Edited by Svetonio - March 06 2015 at 11:28

Svetonio wrote: HackettFan wrote: Svetonio wrote: micky wrote: ^ yeah. I listen to that and immediately launch into a few 'hell yeah Frank' prog album? whatever.  Great album?  No doubt.  I see it more as the first alternative rock album actually. Why not as the first art-rock album? It would be more logical than alt.rock, isn't?  Yeah, Art Rock or Avant Garde Rock is what I would've called it. Given that PA subsumes Avant/RIO as a genre of Prog, it would have to be the first Prog album. I agree with Micky's point, though, as far as how different it was from British Prog. Freak Out! is different than any other later recorded 60s English Art Rock album but it doesn't mean that Freak Out! is not an Art-Rock album. After all, Zappa always was very different than any band or solo artist from England. That diversity is not the case with Freak Out! only; it's the same thing with the whole Zappa's catalogue.

That's absolutely right, friend!

micky wrote: Svetonio wrote: micky wrote: It was a statement of everything wrong in the world man. It was social commentary and critque, giving a finger to all that was wrong in the world. In my mind a helluva lot more in tune with 'alternative' rock than English Art-Rock.  IMO the music was secondary to the overall message in that album. I'd damn well bet my paycheck, and yours that is exactly what Frank intended. Art-Rock? Nah..  I don't see it. 60s English Art-Rock actually was Symphonic rock, early English psychedelia, Hammond organ driven Heavy Rock and Canterbury scene (I apologize if I've forgotten something). Of course that Freak Out!  have nothing to do with them. Freak Out! was / is U.S. Art-Rock IMHO. Of course, a common thing to 60s U.S. Art Rock (Zappa, Blood, Sweat & Tears, The Doors and so on) and 60s English Art Rock (Moody Blues, Family, The Nice and so on) is that they both showed greater ambitions than to make just danceable pop rock songs. However, they all were very different from each other - especialy with Atlantic ocean between them.   U.S Art Rock?  Hmmm.. ahhh U.S. Art Rock -> alt rock.  See Velvet Underground English Art Rock -> prog ehhh.. call it what you want. I sure as hell do .

 Hands down! Congrats, Micky! Thinking about The Velvet Undeground as an alt. rock band is really sky-high!

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