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micky 
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 Posted: August 06 2015 at 18:40 |
 emigre80 wrote:
micky wrote:
BrufordFreak wrote:
When you say "best" I take it to mean as "nearly perfect, even flawless as possible," not "my favorite." This requires a bit of objectivity.
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it takes a fair bit of objectivity... to recognize the nearly perfect, even flawless that are NOT favorite albums.
Most people you would surmise would have as their absolute favorites.. albums they do find to be nearly perfect or even... flawless.
As I noted upstream in the thread. I see there really are two ways to approach lists and topics like this..
best - albums you love (whoopie!)
greatest - those that have a combination of factors independent of whether you like it or not that set it above other albums. FAR more interesting if one is able to compose a list like that.
THAT requires more than a fair bit of objectivity.. not to mention overall knowledge of the realm of prog/progressive rock over and above knowing what one likes... and liking what one knows.
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Using that guidance, I would have to say that Close to the Edge is the most flawless prog album. However, I still prefer Tales and Relayer, in spite of their (comparatively) flawed states. |
flawless? nah... I think that would be missing the point. Is ITCOCK one of the greatest prog albums ever ...because it was flawless? Actually it probably had nothing to do with it as even most fans think there is a 10 minute long pile of warm steaming sh*t right in the middle of the album. is Close to the Edge even the greatest Yes album... highly debatable.. but one could make a strong argument. A stronger one in my mind that it was TFTO. CttE was a merely a step, a progression in the evolution of what Yes was moving toward.. and it was TFTO.
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Catcher10
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Posted: August 06 2015 at 21:12 |
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aglasshouse
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Posted: August 06 2015 at 21:25 |
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A question that is so expansive and nebulous that it's hard to give an answer. If I were to say, it would be a close tie between low Spark and Obscured by Clouds.
Edited by aglasshouse - August 06 2015 at 21:25
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If there is one thing I've learned over the years then it's surely that 'best' has nothing to do with what the majority thinks. Just a quick note to you guys who're talking objectivity.
If such was the case then Rihanna would be the best music artists out there at the moment. The masses have spoken!
Most people on PA have only heard the biggies and never really venture that far afield from them (which is quite alright), but it does make these kinds of discussions rather narrow in the way they approach the infinitely vast oceans of prog.
'What!?!??? Are you telling me there's prog rock outside of the English speaking world??? But how am I supposed to fathom the French lingo let alone get into music sung in it?'
Edited by Guldbamsen - August 07 2015 at 01:33
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Pastmaster
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Posted: August 07 2015 at 01:29 |
It's pretty difficult, but if were only talking Progressive Rock, then it would be one of these:
Eloy - Floating Rush - Vapor Trails Gentle Giant - Free Hand Pink Floyd - Animals Ozric Tentacles - Jurassic Shift
Edited by Pastmaster - August 07 2015 at 01:32
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Sagichim
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emigre80
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Posted: August 07 2015 at 07:39 |
micky wrote:
emigre80 wrote:
micky wrote:
BrufordFreak wrote:
When you say "best" I take it to mean as "nearly perfect, even flawless as possible," not "my favorite." This requires a bit of objectivity.
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it takes a fair bit of objectivity... to recognize the nearly perfect, even flawless that are NOT favorite albums.
Most people you would surmise would have as their absolute favorites.. albums they do find to be nearly perfect or even... flawless.
As I noted upstream in the thread. I see there really are two ways to approach lists and topics like this..
best - albums you love (whoopie!)
greatest - those that have a combination of factors independent of whether you like it or not that set it above other albums. FAR more interesting if one is able to compose a list like that.
THAT requires more than a fair bit of objectivity.. not to mention overall knowledge of the realm of prog/progressive rock over and above knowing what one likes... and liking what one knows.
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Using that guidance, I would have to say that Close to the Edge is the most flawless prog album. However, I still prefer Tales and Relayer, in spite of their (comparatively) flawed states. |
flawless? nah... I think that would be missing the point.
Is ITCOCK one of the greatest prog albums ever ...because it was flawless? Actually it probably had nothing to do with it as even most fans think there is a 10 minute long pile of warm steaming sh*t right in the middle of the album.
is Close to the Edge even the greatest Yes album... highly debatable.. but one could make a strong argument. A stronger one in my mind that it was TFTO. CttE was a merely a step, a progression in the evolution of what Yes was moving toward.. and it was TFTO.
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I was working with the criteria given. I agree that TFTO is a "better" album in that it is more complex, more interesting. I also agree that it was a progression from CTTE. However....it's clear to me that CTTE is a flawless album in the sense that it is as close to perfect as an album can be - not a note out of place. TFTO, on the other hand, does have lots of flaws. [If I never hear that squeaky dog toy - or whatever the hell it is on RSOG that makes that annoying noise - again, that would be fine with me, and enough with the chanting already.] Still, I prefer it to CTTE, in spite of the things that I dislike about it. Obviously, this particular debate reveals the issues involved with having this type of discussion - the premise of which I also agree is fundamentally flawed. 
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